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Followership Continued

Hey everybody. We are back. The three Amigos. We’re excited to be talking to you today about Chris, what are we talking about? Today we’re going to finish up followership on episode 18. We began discussing our two-part discussion of followership, and we ended with discussing Kelly typology of followership. Gotcha. Wayne, how are you? […]

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Followership Continued

Hey everybody. We are back. The three Amigos. We’re excited to be talking to you today about Chris, what are we talking about? Today we’re going to finish up followership on episode 18. We began discussing our two-part discussion of followership, and we ended with discussing Kelly typology of followership. Gotcha. Wayne, how are you? […]

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1 00:00:33,878 --> 00:00:35,048 Hey everybody. 2 00:00:35,438 --> 00:00:36,638 We are back. 3 00:00:37,748 --> 00:00:39,068 The three Amigos. 4 00:00:39,218 --> 00:00:43,474 We're excited to be talking to you today about Chris, what are we talking about? 5 00:00:43,474 --> 00:00:46,952 Today we're going to finish up followership on episode 18. 6 00:00:46,952 --> 00:00:49,772 We began discussing our two-part discussion of followership, 7 00:00:49,802 --> 00:00:53,222 and we ended with discussing Kelly typology of followership. 8 00:00:53,492 --> 00:00:53,942 Gotcha. 9 00:00:54,292 --> 00:00:55,292 Wayne, how are you? 10 00:00:55,562 --> 00:00:56,102 Good, man. 11 00:00:56,102 --> 00:00:56,522 How are you? 12 00:00:56,882 --> 00:00:59,852 Living the life, my brother, trying to get my blood pressure down. 13 00:00:59,882 --> 00:01:01,052 But other than that, I'm doing good. 14 00:01:01,142 --> 00:01:01,502 Everybody else. 15 00:01:01,532 --> 00:01:01,892 Good. 16 00:01:02,492 --> 00:01:03,722 Chris doing great. 17 00:01:03,932 --> 00:01:05,282 Good Jayden. 18 00:01:05,312 --> 00:01:05,942 That's our dog. 19 00:01:05,942 --> 00:01:06,362 This with it. 20 00:01:06,362 --> 00:01:07,502 She might hear her snoring. 21 00:01:07,652 --> 00:01:08,492 She's our mascot. 22 00:01:08,582 --> 00:01:09,692 We love her. 23 00:01:10,952 --> 00:01:12,332 All right, let's get rolling. 24 00:01:12,662 --> 00:01:13,142 All right. 25 00:01:13,382 --> 00:01:16,382 So the last time we ended with Kelly typology, and I'll 26 00:01:16,382 --> 00:01:17,642 give a quick review of that. 27 00:01:18,002 --> 00:01:21,662 Kelly typology is the most recognized form of followership. 28 00:01:22,532 --> 00:01:26,282 It comes from Robert Kelly in his book, "The Power of Followership". 29 00:01:26,522 --> 00:01:31,352 And he argues that the power of followers usually goes unrecognized. 30 00:01:31,382 --> 00:01:32,492 Would you guys agree with that? 31 00:01:33,002 --> 00:01:33,512 Sure. 32 00:01:33,618 --> 00:01:34,398 Wayne, what do you think. 33 00:01:34,548 --> 00:01:34,998 Yes. 34 00:01:35,998 --> 00:01:39,568 He also argues that followers are a vital part of leadership. 35 00:01:40,198 --> 00:01:43,828 And he emphasized that the motivations of followers and their behavior 36 00:01:44,778 --> 00:01:47,268 is used to shape leadership and. 37 00:01:48,018 --> 00:01:52,938 The goal of Kelly's typology is to become what's called an exemplary follower. 38 00:01:53,658 --> 00:01:54,258 Gotcha. 39 00:01:54,588 --> 00:01:59,347 And it's important that we put this down in later as we finish this 40 00:01:59,377 --> 00:02:03,157 up and at the end, we'll have some scripture, but the main goal for us 41 00:02:03,157 --> 00:02:04,717 as Christians is to follow Christ. 42 00:02:04,747 --> 00:02:05,197 Absolutely. 43 00:02:05,317 --> 00:02:09,637 We follow him as our example, we understand the importance 44 00:02:09,667 --> 00:02:11,287 of being a follower. 45 00:02:11,527 --> 00:02:13,117 And I don't know if we teach that enough. 46 00:02:13,117 --> 00:02:13,987 I think sometimes. 47 00:02:14,347 --> 00:02:17,260 We we do the old lead follower get out of my way and I get it, 48 00:02:17,410 --> 00:02:18,910 but I think we need to follow. 49 00:02:18,970 --> 00:02:21,610 And sometimes we don't teach that enough in the church. 50 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:23,140 So you're absolutely right. 51 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,320 Just a second thought there, we don't teach much about following it all. 52 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,070 We'll teach you how to be a good leader. 53 00:02:28,109 --> 00:02:30,839 But how to be a good follower that never comes up. 54 00:02:30,982 --> 00:02:32,272 Never an ultimately. 55 00:02:32,459 --> 00:02:34,799 That's our calling is to follow Christ. 56 00:02:34,799 --> 00:02:35,579 What do you think Wayne? 57 00:02:36,359 --> 00:02:38,819 I think a good leader has to be a follower. 58 00:02:38,999 --> 00:02:40,139 Then we got to follow somebody. 59 00:02:40,289 --> 00:02:40,979 Absolutely. 60 00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:41,609 Amen. 61 00:02:41,939 --> 00:02:42,359 Amen. 62 00:02:43,019 --> 00:02:44,339 So according to Kelly. 63 00:02:44,729 --> 00:02:46,199 Followers have two styles. 64 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:48,659 And this is again what we went over in the last episode. 65 00:02:49,169 --> 00:02:51,899 They have independent and critical thinking or their 66 00:02:51,899 --> 00:02:53,969 depended and uncritical thinking. 67 00:02:54,449 --> 00:02:57,299 And of those two dimensions, you get five follower types. 68 00:02:57,869 --> 00:03:00,689 The passive followers, these are the sheep and they look to 69 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:03,809 the leader for everything, both the direction and motivation. 70 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:05,639 And you get conformist. 71 00:03:05,939 --> 00:03:07,169 Those were yes, people. 72 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:10,109 And they're always on the leader side and they still look to the 73 00:03:10,109 --> 00:03:11,789 leader for guidance and direction. 74 00:03:12,929 --> 00:03:14,819 Then you get the alienated followers. 75 00:03:15,119 --> 00:03:18,689 These people think for themselves, and they have a lot of negative energy and 76 00:03:18,689 --> 00:03:20,819 they're usually always against the leader. 77 00:03:21,016 --> 00:03:24,466 The fourth type is a pragmatic followers and these are the fence sitters. 78 00:03:24,556 --> 00:03:27,286 They support the status quo, but they don't get on board 79 00:03:27,286 --> 00:03:28,726 until everybody else does. 80 00:03:29,206 --> 00:03:31,606 And the last is the exemplary followers. 81 00:03:31,636 --> 00:03:33,046 These are the star followers. 82 00:03:33,046 --> 00:03:34,186 These are our goals. 83 00:03:34,227 --> 00:03:36,463 What's another name for an exemplary follower, Dave. 84 00:03:36,549 --> 00:03:37,659 That's a good question. 85 00:03:38,739 --> 00:03:42,669 Have you ever had someone that you consider to be a really good follower? 86 00:03:42,699 --> 00:03:45,459 You are really close to them and you may even call them friend. 87 00:03:45,513 --> 00:03:46,731 Sure absolutely. 88 00:03:46,731 --> 00:03:47,913 I've got a verse for us here. 89 00:03:47,943 --> 00:03:49,903 This is in John 15:15. 90 00:03:50,193 --> 00:03:54,003 Jesus says no longer do I call you servants for the servant does not 91 00:03:54,003 --> 00:03:57,933 know what his master is doing, but I've called you friends for all 92 00:03:57,933 --> 00:03:59,343 that I ever heard from my father. 93 00:03:59,343 --> 00:04:00,513 I have made known to you. 94 00:04:01,023 --> 00:04:01,593 That's good. 95 00:04:01,623 --> 00:04:04,173 One of the things that I want to make sure we get across. 96 00:04:04,473 --> 00:04:06,453 This isn't being passive aggressive. 97 00:04:06,813 --> 00:04:09,706 This is actually following someone you believe in. 98 00:04:09,738 --> 00:04:12,918 And when you do that and when you have people do that for 99 00:04:12,918 --> 00:04:14,988 you, ultimately I think Wayne. 100 00:04:15,258 --> 00:04:16,128 Put it really good. 101 00:04:16,158 --> 00:04:17,148 Just a few minutes ago. 102 00:04:17,148 --> 00:04:18,498 We're all following something. 103 00:04:18,648 --> 00:04:18,888 We are. 104 00:04:18,897 --> 00:04:21,703 And if we're following ourself, we're in destruction mode. 105 00:04:21,733 --> 00:04:25,573 And so we need to really think on who we're following while 106 00:04:25,573 --> 00:04:27,124 we're following and how do we. 107 00:04:27,132 --> 00:04:30,342 I guess I get word as exemplify that to other people, show that to 108 00:04:30,342 --> 00:04:34,858 other people and to be the follower of the one that you believe in. 109 00:04:34,888 --> 00:04:35,578 I agree with that. 110 00:04:35,668 --> 00:04:36,598 Oh, there you go. 111 00:04:37,528 --> 00:04:38,488 Take care of Palo's. 112 00:04:38,608 --> 00:04:39,208 It's been rough. 113 00:04:39,268 --> 00:04:42,808 When the day I got there, though, I'm back. 114 00:04:42,928 --> 00:04:43,378 He's back. 115 00:04:43,507 --> 00:04:43,867 Okay. 116 00:04:43,867 --> 00:04:45,967 Based on those five types. 117 00:04:46,447 --> 00:04:51,097 We know that exemplary or effective followers have four qualities. 118 00:04:51,637 --> 00:04:54,487 Number one they self-manage and think for themselves. 119 00:04:55,387 --> 00:04:58,777 Number two, they have a strong commitment to the organizational goals. 120 00:05:00,037 --> 00:05:03,667 Number three, they build competence and they master their job skills. 121 00:05:03,997 --> 00:05:06,907 Number four, they're ethical and courageous. 122 00:05:08,347 --> 00:05:10,687 They may even dare to challenge the leader. 123 00:05:11,317 --> 00:05:11,707 And. 124 00:05:12,337 --> 00:05:13,837 There's a correct time to do that. 125 00:05:13,837 --> 00:05:16,087 And there's an incorrect time to do that. 126 00:05:16,177 --> 00:05:17,827 Ephesians four 15 tells us. 127 00:05:18,217 --> 00:05:20,047 Rather speaking the truth in love. 128 00:05:20,047 --> 00:05:23,767 We are to grow up in every way into him, who is the head into Christ. 129 00:05:23,917 --> 00:05:25,477 So you've got to do that in love. 130 00:05:26,107 --> 00:05:26,467 Yeah. 131 00:05:26,497 --> 00:05:28,087 And if we understand. 132 00:05:28,867 --> 00:05:32,347 Every commandment from Jesus talks about loving each other. 133 00:05:32,617 --> 00:05:35,677 And honestly, I don't know if we do it well 134 00:05:35,721 --> 00:05:37,071 I agree with that completely. 135 00:05:37,491 --> 00:05:40,221 The problem with it is we're scared. 136 00:05:40,461 --> 00:05:43,731 And I know every one of us is listening to this. 137 00:05:43,731 --> 00:05:45,561 At some point you've been hurt by someone else. 138 00:05:45,891 --> 00:05:50,571 And when you get hurt, That hurt comes across in a situation where you don't 139 00:05:50,571 --> 00:05:53,001 want to follow anybody because you're afraid you're gonna get hurt again. 140 00:05:53,361 --> 00:05:53,751 That's true. 141 00:05:53,781 --> 00:05:55,041 Here's the reality. 142 00:05:55,071 --> 00:05:55,791 And this is what we got. 143 00:05:55,791 --> 00:05:57,801 Understand the problem wasn't us. 144 00:05:57,801 --> 00:05:59,241 It was the person we were following. 145 00:05:59,241 --> 00:06:01,761 And if we're not following the right one, then we're never 146 00:06:01,761 --> 00:06:02,871 going to get on the right boat. 147 00:06:03,111 --> 00:06:08,001 And so if I'm following Jesus first, and then I follow people who love 148 00:06:08,001 --> 00:06:09,591 Jesus, then I'm on the right path. 149 00:06:09,621 --> 00:06:11,481 That doesn't mean they won't let me down because they will. 150 00:06:11,691 --> 00:06:15,111 Ask yourself, this situation in church work or anything else? 151 00:06:15,891 --> 00:06:19,071 The people that I'm leading or the people I'm following, do they love 152 00:06:19,071 --> 00:06:21,411 Jesus with reckless abandonment? 153 00:06:21,411 --> 00:06:23,331 And if they don't, then you're going to have issue. 154 00:06:23,391 --> 00:06:24,051 That's it. 155 00:06:24,411 --> 00:06:25,101 What do you think? 156 00:06:25,281 --> 00:06:26,655 It's interesting because. 157 00:06:26,655 --> 00:06:28,536 I don't work in a church. 158 00:06:29,346 --> 00:06:30,336 I don't know. 159 00:06:30,726 --> 00:06:32,466 That there are a lot of people. 160 00:06:32,886 --> 00:06:35,036 That I work with that follow Jesus. 161 00:06:35,486 --> 00:06:36,986 But that doesn't give me. 162 00:06:37,039 --> 00:06:37,662 An out. 163 00:06:37,679 --> 00:06:37,949 True. 164 00:06:38,039 --> 00:06:38,969 To not be. 165 00:06:39,089 --> 00:06:40,049 That example. 166 00:06:40,089 --> 00:06:40,779 That makes sense. 167 00:06:40,809 --> 00:06:41,799 A hundred percent, right? 168 00:06:41,881 --> 00:06:44,161 And I think accountability is a big thing there. 169 00:06:44,161 --> 00:06:44,641 I think. 170 00:06:45,151 --> 00:06:47,071 I'm accountable to Jesus and Jesus alone. 171 00:06:47,071 --> 00:06:49,711 And so where no matter what I'm at or where I'm at, I got to 172 00:06:49,831 --> 00:06:53,461 exemplify him and show him because people need to know about him. 173 00:06:53,461 --> 00:06:53,941 You know why? 174 00:06:53,941 --> 00:06:55,261 Because he's incredible. 175 00:06:55,331 --> 00:06:57,481 Amen man changed my mind. 176 00:06:57,511 --> 00:07:01,261 He changed my life and I know that he can change anyone else that I get to lead. 177 00:07:01,561 --> 00:07:04,381 And so if I'm leading them, I'm leading them to Jesus. 178 00:07:04,381 --> 00:07:04,771 True. 179 00:07:04,951 --> 00:07:05,911 No, that's so true. 180 00:07:06,481 --> 00:07:07,861 That is so true and it was beautiful. 181 00:07:07,891 --> 00:07:09,961 And ultimately that's what leadership is Chris? 182 00:07:10,039 --> 00:07:13,339 Whether you're doing it like where Wayne is or where you are, or even at a 183 00:07:13,369 --> 00:07:17,641 church where I am we're leading people, hopefully that they see Jesus in us. 184 00:07:17,674 --> 00:07:18,544 Amen. 185 00:07:18,784 --> 00:07:22,654 And if they don't, I want to challenge you as leaders reevaluate your 186 00:07:22,654 --> 00:07:24,334 leadership because you're messing it. 187 00:07:24,424 --> 00:07:25,774 That is our number one goal. 188 00:07:25,774 --> 00:07:26,914 You're exactly right. 189 00:07:27,484 --> 00:07:30,274 That's good stuff I feel like I need to be writing that down Dave. 190 00:07:30,374 --> 00:07:30,974 It stuff. 191 00:07:31,784 --> 00:07:33,764 It took me a minute to get warmed up right now. 192 00:07:33,824 --> 00:07:34,394 We're rolling here. 193 00:07:34,844 --> 00:07:35,504 Off you go. 194 00:07:35,714 --> 00:07:37,244 I don't know about all that, but I'm trying. 195 00:07:37,794 --> 00:07:40,673 So let's talk about engagement and followers have different 196 00:07:40,673 --> 00:07:43,403 levels of engagement, and in fact, there's five levels. 197 00:07:43,733 --> 00:07:47,453 And as you can see, the engagement matters quite a bit with followers. 198 00:07:47,783 --> 00:07:52,223 The first level of followers are completely isolated and they're unengaged. 199 00:07:52,268 --> 00:07:55,298 I'm going to put you on the spot, Dave, if you were to give a 200 00:07:55,298 --> 00:07:59,648 percentage of average church goers how many people would you say are. 201 00:08:00,218 --> 00:08:01,838 Completely unengaged. 202 00:08:02,588 --> 00:08:03,338 That's fair. 203 00:08:03,878 --> 00:08:06,248 Not at Christchurch case anyone from. 204 00:08:06,278 --> 00:08:07,833 But the other churches. 205 00:08:09,093 --> 00:08:12,724 Honestly sometimes This is horrible to say, I've read 206 00:08:12,724 --> 00:08:14,704 things that say 20% sometimes. 207 00:08:15,214 --> 00:08:19,624 I can honestly say with Christ church, I feel like we have heavy involvement. 208 00:08:19,690 --> 00:08:24,310 70, 80% easy and we're working on everyone to get involved in the church 209 00:08:24,490 --> 00:08:28,840 . Again, people don't want to engage in what you're doing. 210 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,210 Sometimes engagement's a good word that I don't know. 211 00:08:31,210 --> 00:08:35,050 We, if we understand if we're engaging with people, it means we're 212 00:08:35,050 --> 00:08:37,600 helping them to see what we believe. 213 00:08:37,660 --> 00:08:37,900 Yes. 214 00:08:37,930 --> 00:08:40,470 And so that's an important thing in my life. 215 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:43,440 And if I'm messing that, so the average church, I don't know. 216 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:46,950 I think the churches that I've been, I was at one church where I was lucky. 217 00:08:46,950 --> 00:08:50,100 If it was 10%, I've been one church where I'm currently at, where it 218 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:51,870 feels like sometimes it's 90%. 219 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:52,920 So you just don't know. 220 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:53,830 90%. 221 00:08:53,850 --> 00:08:57,510 I feel like we do really well if I'm honest with you, but I do think I do. 222 00:08:57,540 --> 00:08:58,020 Definitely. 223 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,500 I still think we were missing people and one of the things 224 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:03,090 Jeff Gaines and I do who's. 225 00:09:03,780 --> 00:09:05,490 Leading our lead pastor. 226 00:09:05,490 --> 00:09:06,270 And I worked with him. 227 00:09:06,510 --> 00:09:09,504 One of the things that we try to do in everything that we do is how 228 00:09:09,504 --> 00:09:10,914 do we get people more involved? 229 00:09:11,094 --> 00:09:13,074 How do we get them to come on Sunday nights? 230 00:09:13,074 --> 00:09:13,884 How do we do stuff? 231 00:09:14,124 --> 00:09:18,864 That would help them see how important Christ is in their life. 232 00:09:18,864 --> 00:09:21,024 And if we're missing that we're missing everything. 233 00:09:21,114 --> 00:09:21,634 You're right. 234 00:09:21,634 --> 00:09:24,037 One of the ways that we do that at the church. 235 00:09:24,067 --> 00:09:26,063 Is when you keep talking about engagement. 236 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:29,087 It's not like in term, it's a way of life. 237 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:32,123 And the focus is literally just sitting down. 238 00:09:32,154 --> 00:09:33,354 Across from somebody. 239 00:09:33,457 --> 00:09:34,597 And letting them. 240 00:09:34,664 --> 00:09:36,524 Let you experience what they go through. 241 00:09:36,794 --> 00:09:37,364 That's good. 242 00:09:37,394 --> 00:09:37,904 Very good. 243 00:09:37,904 --> 00:09:38,744 It's really good. 244 00:09:38,744 --> 00:09:42,210 And for example, like we have upward Wayne and I got the hangout. 245 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,310 I'm not going in details about what happened. 246 00:09:45,310 --> 00:09:46,650 Oh, my aching back. 247 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:48,220 Let us pray. 248 00:09:49,630 --> 00:09:53,238 If you ever want to really find out how much he loves Jesus what's fifth 249 00:09:53,238 --> 00:09:56,958 and sixth grade basketball game and watch the parents afterwards. 250 00:09:57,948 --> 00:09:58,778 Let us pray. 251 00:09:59,178 --> 00:10:03,048 But I got to hang out with Wayne and he got to see me in a situation 252 00:10:03,048 --> 00:10:05,233 that where it was intense at times. 253 00:10:05,283 --> 00:10:07,972 He got to settle me down and it was good. 254 00:10:08,002 --> 00:10:10,102 It was good for us just to be there for each other. 255 00:10:10,102 --> 00:10:10,665 And I think. 256 00:10:10,665 --> 00:10:12,358 The only way you do that's to do life. 257 00:10:12,358 --> 00:10:16,108 You got to find places where there's upward or it's a 258 00:10:16,228 --> 00:10:18,178 small group or whatever it is. 259 00:10:18,448 --> 00:10:20,188 That's your following and then that's it. 260 00:10:20,698 --> 00:10:21,898 I know that's mainly church. 261 00:10:21,928 --> 00:10:24,384 I know I'm talking to that, but even in your work, you've got to 262 00:10:24,384 --> 00:10:26,154 find ways to have lunch with people. 263 00:10:26,154 --> 00:10:29,094 You got to have, find ways to get to know the people on just 264 00:10:29,134 --> 00:10:31,054 a little bit deeper level. 265 00:10:31,444 --> 00:10:32,074 Amen. 266 00:10:32,104 --> 00:10:32,674 That's true. 267 00:10:32,794 --> 00:10:32,974 Yeah. 268 00:10:33,244 --> 00:10:35,704 So we discussed the people who are unengaged. 269 00:10:35,944 --> 00:10:39,004 What about the next level up the bystanders or observers? 270 00:10:39,244 --> 00:10:42,304 Who show up and they're there, but they don't do anything. 271 00:10:43,304 --> 00:10:45,554 Again, don't ask me how many are that is church. 272 00:10:46,214 --> 00:10:48,344 No, we don't want the oh. 273 00:10:49,179 --> 00:10:53,379 And here's the thing that I think you need to ask of you as you're listening to this. 274 00:10:53,455 --> 00:10:54,925 How am I at my workplace? 275 00:10:55,135 --> 00:10:56,635 How am I at my church? 276 00:10:56,725 --> 00:10:56,845 Yeah. 277 00:10:56,905 --> 00:11:00,655 How am I doing in, other places in life where God's called me to lead? 278 00:11:01,315 --> 00:11:02,365 What am I doing? 279 00:11:02,365 --> 00:11:06,145 And I, am I an engaged in, what do I need to do to get my head there? 280 00:11:06,385 --> 00:11:06,925 Absolutely. 281 00:11:06,930 --> 00:11:09,872 And, moving on the next step up from that or that the participants. 282 00:11:10,262 --> 00:11:12,722 And they're partially engaged and they're even willing to 283 00:11:12,722 --> 00:11:14,342 take a stand on some issues. 284 00:11:15,152 --> 00:11:15,602 Gotcha. 285 00:11:16,352 --> 00:11:17,072 Good stuff. 286 00:11:17,432 --> 00:11:19,412 Moving up from there, we've got activists. 287 00:11:19,442 --> 00:11:22,832 They feel strongly about the leader and the leader's policies, and 288 00:11:22,832 --> 00:11:24,902 they'll even act on their own beliefs. 289 00:11:25,322 --> 00:11:26,972 But it's still not what we're looking for. 290 00:11:26,972 --> 00:11:27,422 Correct? 291 00:11:27,482 --> 00:11:27,992 Correct. 292 00:11:28,412 --> 00:11:29,252 We're moving at it. 293 00:11:29,462 --> 00:11:30,362 This is the last one. 294 00:11:30,392 --> 00:11:33,272 These are the diehards and they're dedicated to the cause 295 00:11:33,272 --> 00:11:36,242 they're deeply committed to supporting or opposing the leaders. 296 00:11:36,338 --> 00:11:38,078 A diehard can be on either side. 297 00:11:39,078 --> 00:11:39,558 Gotcha. 298 00:11:39,695 --> 00:11:41,255 Explain that either side of what. 299 00:11:41,765 --> 00:11:46,265 You can have a follower who is a diehard who completely supports everything 300 00:11:46,265 --> 00:11:48,005 you do, because they believe in you. 301 00:11:48,365 --> 00:11:52,025 they know that you are a man of God or perhaps you've made them angry 302 00:11:52,055 --> 00:11:55,685 and they show up at church every time just to oppose everything you do. 303 00:11:55,685 --> 00:11:56,885 And there's still diehard. 304 00:11:56,975 --> 00:11:57,425 Yeah. 305 00:11:57,461 --> 00:11:58,117 I've met that. 306 00:11:58,267 --> 00:11:59,647 Both of those people actually. 307 00:11:59,737 --> 00:12:00,547 So that's interesting. 308 00:12:01,117 --> 00:12:02,017 That's crazy is. 309 00:12:02,287 --> 00:12:03,787 And not in Christchurch. 310 00:12:05,167 --> 00:12:05,857 Not at all. 311 00:12:07,297 --> 00:12:10,267 But other churches I've been in. 312 00:12:11,437 --> 00:12:12,217 I heard that. 313 00:12:12,547 --> 00:12:13,087 That's good. 314 00:12:13,327 --> 00:12:14,887 With all this in mind. 315 00:12:15,547 --> 00:12:18,337 And keep in mind, the followership is brand new. 316 00:12:18,617 --> 00:12:21,227 They're just started studying this and the academics are 317 00:12:21,227 --> 00:12:22,537 just starting to put this out. 318 00:12:22,897 --> 00:12:26,587 We've got a new co-created leadership process. 319 00:12:27,907 --> 00:12:31,927 The leaders behaviors are influence attempts on the followers and they 320 00:12:31,927 --> 00:12:33,847 have to work together for leadership. 321 00:12:34,357 --> 00:12:38,977 So we study all this on leadership, but if we don't have followers that are engaged, 322 00:12:38,977 --> 00:12:40,537 you're not going to be successful. 323 00:12:41,317 --> 00:12:42,127 A hundred percent. 324 00:12:42,157 --> 00:12:44,627 And I believe that with church work, I believe that with anything. 325 00:12:44,627 --> 00:12:49,473 Even like ministers groups, I've been in, sometimes we're all trying to do the same 326 00:12:49,473 --> 00:12:51,153 thing, which is to love our community. 327 00:12:51,153 --> 00:12:54,223 And sometimes we're trying to compete with each other and to get other people. 328 00:12:54,873 --> 00:12:56,373 To come to our church from their church. 329 00:12:56,403 --> 00:12:56,643 Sure. 330 00:12:56,823 --> 00:13:01,623 The goal shouldn't be that in church work, the goal should be, how are we looking 331 00:13:01,623 --> 00:13:06,693 at following Christ and loving people and doing what our niche is doing, what 332 00:13:06,693 --> 00:13:08,660 we do and do it well, At Christ church. 333 00:13:08,660 --> 00:13:11,720 Our goal is for people to see that they have real hope in Jesus. 334 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,060 That's everything that motivates me when I get up and when I walk and 335 00:13:16,090 --> 00:13:19,974 when I talk and I want to motivate people to the hope they have in Jesus. 336 00:13:20,034 --> 00:13:20,634 Very good. 337 00:13:20,964 --> 00:13:22,374 And I've got five questions. 338 00:13:22,374 --> 00:13:25,374 I want to ask Dave and Wayne, I want you to say true or false. 339 00:13:25,374 --> 00:13:28,014 If you think an exemplary leader does this. 340 00:13:28,524 --> 00:13:29,514 Are you worried, Wayne? 341 00:13:29,814 --> 00:13:30,504 Oh, I'm terrified. 342 00:13:31,504 --> 00:13:32,690 They haven't seen the answers. 343 00:13:32,690 --> 00:13:34,804 I'm going to open it up now, let us pray. 344 00:13:35,284 --> 00:13:36,334 You should start with Dave. 345 00:13:37,334 --> 00:13:37,784 All right. 346 00:13:37,814 --> 00:13:39,124 Then I tell you guys, I love Wayne. 347 00:13:39,194 --> 00:13:39,854 Take that back. 348 00:13:41,024 --> 00:13:42,824 Number one followers. 349 00:13:42,824 --> 00:13:43,994 Get the job done. 350 00:13:44,057 --> 00:13:45,047 Is that true or false? 351 00:13:45,317 --> 00:13:47,027 Oh, so I can't say sometimes. 352 00:13:47,057 --> 00:13:47,327 Nope. 353 00:13:47,387 --> 00:13:48,437 It's just one or the other. 354 00:13:48,477 --> 00:13:49,437 Get the job done. 355 00:13:49,797 --> 00:13:51,414 Oh, I'm going to go with true. 356 00:13:51,467 --> 00:13:52,711 Wayne I'll go with the truth. 357 00:13:52,831 --> 00:13:53,821 The true is the answer. 358 00:13:53,821 --> 00:13:54,511 You're correct. 359 00:13:54,661 --> 00:13:55,291 Thank you. 360 00:13:55,321 --> 00:13:59,041 Leaders can lead all they want, but it is the followers that gets the job done. 361 00:13:59,071 --> 00:13:59,551 Amen. 362 00:13:59,611 --> 00:14:00,121 That's good. 363 00:14:00,691 --> 00:14:01,441 The second one. 364 00:14:01,621 --> 00:14:05,322 Now we're talking about the exemplary followers work in the best interest 365 00:14:05,352 --> 00:14:06,882 of the organization's mission. 366 00:14:06,946 --> 00:14:09,136 So are we talking that they should do that? 367 00:14:09,196 --> 00:14:09,586 Yes. 368 00:14:09,646 --> 00:14:09,916 True. 369 00:14:10,026 --> 00:14:10,326 Wayne. 370 00:14:10,412 --> 00:14:10,742 Sure. 371 00:14:10,832 --> 00:14:11,792 You're exactly right. 372 00:14:11,826 --> 00:14:12,816 Two for two aisle. 373 00:14:12,839 --> 00:14:13,466 Good job. 374 00:14:13,549 --> 00:14:14,959 Me and my blood pressure's high. 375 00:14:14,959 --> 00:14:15,709 What are you doing? 376 00:14:17,179 --> 00:14:20,059 Number three followers support the leader. 377 00:14:20,809 --> 00:14:21,619 True or false. 378 00:14:22,339 --> 00:14:22,729 True. 379 00:14:23,239 --> 00:14:23,629 Sure. 380 00:14:23,869 --> 00:14:24,529 Very good. 381 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:25,549 We're on a roll. 382 00:14:25,879 --> 00:14:28,549 Number four followers challenge the leader. 383 00:14:29,809 --> 00:14:30,979 I think true to that. 384 00:14:31,339 --> 00:14:31,549 Wayne. 385 00:14:31,549 --> 00:14:32,179 What do you think. 386 00:14:32,479 --> 00:14:32,809 I think sure. 387 00:14:33,169 --> 00:14:33,799 Excellent. 388 00:14:34,219 --> 00:14:34,759 They should. 389 00:14:34,939 --> 00:14:37,009 And they should, if they're doing their thing right. 390 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:39,799 Again, let me just say that's accountability. 391 00:14:39,889 --> 00:14:43,839 I should know that somebody can ask me, what are you doing with this? 392 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:47,169 And I should be able to say, this is where I am, and this is what 393 00:14:47,169 --> 00:14:51,235 I'm doing, because I'm accountable to those who are following me and. 394 00:14:51,265 --> 00:14:51,865 In my opinion. 395 00:14:51,925 --> 00:14:53,035 So you're absolutely right. 396 00:14:53,365 --> 00:14:54,385 Here's the last one. 397 00:14:54,925 --> 00:14:57,235 Followers learn from leaders. 398 00:14:58,435 --> 00:14:58,885 True. 399 00:14:59,365 --> 00:14:59,605 Wayne. 400 00:15:00,205 --> 00:15:01,165 Sure you got it. 401 00:15:01,255 --> 00:15:03,385 You guys got a hundred percent way to go. 402 00:15:03,685 --> 00:15:05,455 Why didn't you tell us they were all true. 403 00:15:06,455 --> 00:15:07,625 I wish you all could see the look. 404 00:15:08,015 --> 00:15:09,935 That the look of fear on Dave. 405 00:15:11,195 --> 00:15:11,945 Fear, nothing. 406 00:15:11,975 --> 00:15:13,715 That was my blood pressure going through. 407 00:15:15,035 --> 00:15:16,445 I've got to get my pills out. 408 00:15:16,475 --> 00:15:17,285 Thank you very much. 409 00:15:17,315 --> 00:15:20,016 So now that's that's the basics of followership. 410 00:15:20,046 --> 00:15:22,026 I want to go over the strengths of followership. 411 00:15:22,566 --> 00:15:27,216 Followership we now know is an important part of the leadership equation and that's 412 00:15:27,216 --> 00:15:29,466 something we did not know 20 years ago. 413 00:15:30,066 --> 00:15:33,846 Followership forces a whole new way for people to think about leadership 414 00:15:33,876 --> 00:15:35,676 and a focus on the followers. 415 00:15:35,751 --> 00:15:38,841 Back in the day, followers were not a focus of anything. 416 00:15:39,841 --> 00:15:41,731 True because we were all doing our own thing. 417 00:15:41,791 --> 00:15:41,941 Yes. 418 00:15:42,061 --> 00:15:43,711 I think this happens in church, work to. 419 00:15:43,951 --> 00:15:46,261 I think we forget about the people that are in the pew 420 00:15:46,261 --> 00:15:47,431 that we're trying to love on. 421 00:15:47,641 --> 00:15:50,011 we're not just trying to get people in the church. 422 00:15:50,041 --> 00:15:51,421 We're trying to bless those that are already there. 423 00:15:51,571 --> 00:15:52,231 Oh, yes. 424 00:15:52,801 --> 00:15:55,381 The thing is though, when you bless those that are already there, it's 425 00:15:55,381 --> 00:15:57,961 very important that you understand that they're going to bless you too, because 426 00:15:58,051 --> 00:16:03,181 it's a team and they become part of the one community loving Jesus together. 427 00:16:03,211 --> 00:16:04,981 That's what church work ultimately is. 428 00:16:05,161 --> 00:16:06,151 If we can get there. 429 00:16:06,211 --> 00:16:06,991 Does that make sense? 430 00:16:07,021 --> 00:16:08,101 It makes perfect sense. 431 00:16:08,281 --> 00:16:09,071 What do you think Wayne? 432 00:16:09,076 --> 00:16:09,616 I think. 433 00:16:10,576 --> 00:16:11,536 I agree with what you're saying. 434 00:16:11,806 --> 00:16:12,136 Okay. 435 00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:13,516 But also, no. 436 00:16:13,876 --> 00:16:15,736 No, but don't call me that. 437 00:16:16,286 --> 00:16:19,706 It's important to remember that their followers are not employees. 438 00:16:20,096 --> 00:16:20,556 That's true. 439 00:16:20,611 --> 00:16:22,411 They're making a conscious decision. 440 00:16:23,311 --> 00:16:28,921 To get behind in something you support or something you advocate or whatever it is. 441 00:16:29,101 --> 00:16:29,851 Let me say this. 442 00:16:29,851 --> 00:16:32,341 I know we got a few seconds, but let me just say this, 443 00:16:32,341 --> 00:16:33,557 because this is very important. 444 00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:37,717 I think you also have to understand that as leaders we make mistakes and. 445 00:16:38,107 --> 00:16:39,497 I think when you follow. 446 00:16:39,857 --> 00:16:42,960 People you have to give them grace and. 447 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:45,000 I don't know if we do that enough. 448 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,590 I think we're really quick to judge. 449 00:16:46,590 --> 00:16:48,510 And as soon as we blow it, that's it. 450 00:16:48,540 --> 00:16:49,890 Sorry, you can't lead me anymore. 451 00:16:50,340 --> 00:16:51,570 The truth is. 452 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,080 If you're following people, you're going to be disappointed 453 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,190 at some point every time. 454 00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:59,800 If you're just putting it on us, we're going to let you down. 455 00:17:00,070 --> 00:17:00,610 Is that fair? 456 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,080 We are definitely going to let you down. 457 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:02,380 Yes. 458 00:17:02,380 --> 00:17:04,180 We're only human and we're mess. 459 00:17:04,210 --> 00:17:05,470 But I wanted to share this with you. 460 00:17:05,470 --> 00:17:08,590 We discussed percentages a minute ago and during all of my leadership 461 00:17:08,590 --> 00:17:10,060 training, as I'm getting my doctorate. 462 00:17:10,510 --> 00:17:12,490 We had a study where we show percentages. 463 00:17:12,910 --> 00:17:15,760 And you consider your team in a rowboat. 464 00:17:16,420 --> 00:17:19,660 10% of your team is actively rowing. 465 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,050 And they're trying to get the team back to shore or out to sea, wherever 466 00:17:23,050 --> 00:17:25,660 you're going, but they're working with you and they're working hard. 467 00:17:26,350 --> 00:17:28,120 60% of the team. 468 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:32,110 Is not doing anything they're lounging around and sitting there. 469 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,670 20% are just doing minimal effort, just bare minimum. 470 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,560 And 10% is actively working against the team. 471 00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:43,650 And that's something to think about when you look at your team and think, why are 472 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:45,780 10% of my people working against me here? 473 00:17:45,780 --> 00:17:47,460 I haven't reached them in some way. 474 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:52,410 So let's go back to what we were just talking about because we're leading people 475 00:17:52,500 --> 00:17:54,660 and people will let you down as well. 476 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,770 And one of the things I don't think we teach enough as leaders, 477 00:17:57,770 --> 00:18:01,040 ministers, whatever the point is, you can't put your faith in a person. 478 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,030 You put your faith in. 479 00:18:02,460 --> 00:18:03,320 in God. 480 00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:08,090 And if you don't do that, You're totally missing the whole point. 481 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:08,893 Absolutely. 482 00:18:08,957 --> 00:18:10,337 And now here's the last thing I've got. 483 00:18:10,337 --> 00:18:12,167 This is how to be an exemplary follower. 484 00:18:12,797 --> 00:18:14,027 And there are seven steps. 485 00:18:14,417 --> 00:18:16,697 And I want you guys to think of a relationship you have, where 486 00:18:16,697 --> 00:18:19,247 you are the follower, and you don't have to answer these. 487 00:18:19,247 --> 00:18:21,767 And I want people listening, think about the relationship where you are 488 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:24,797 a follower, and we're going to find out if you're an exemplary follower. 489 00:18:25,757 --> 00:18:29,597 The first step to being an exemplary follower is to pray for your 490 00:18:29,597 --> 00:18:33,227 leader and even let your leaders know you're praying for them. 491 00:18:34,217 --> 00:18:35,567 A hundred percent, I think. 492 00:18:35,657 --> 00:18:39,170 If we're not, especially in church work, but in anything. 493 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:42,770 That's the thing I don't think that people do when they're leading 494 00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:44,090 outside of the church enough. 495 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:48,523 I don't think we, we pray for those that we get to lead I worked for the 496 00:18:48,523 --> 00:18:50,833 state and I realized when I was working. 497 00:18:51,163 --> 00:18:54,574 There that I needed to love the people that God put in my path. 498 00:18:54,664 --> 00:18:55,484 And if I didn't. 499 00:18:55,484 --> 00:18:56,174 I was going to mess it up. 500 00:18:56,234 --> 00:18:59,624 I was working with juveniles and at first I was like, man, these kids are 501 00:18:59,624 --> 00:19:01,814 messes, but then I realized we all are. 502 00:19:01,904 --> 00:19:03,224 And so that's good. 503 00:19:03,254 --> 00:19:03,824 Yeah. 504 00:19:03,854 --> 00:19:07,859 It's really important that you understand that no matter what, who God puts 505 00:19:07,859 --> 00:19:09,509 you with is who God puts you with. 506 00:19:09,569 --> 00:19:09,989 Yes. 507 00:19:10,019 --> 00:19:12,419 So quit complaining about it and start seeing how you can 508 00:19:12,419 --> 00:19:13,709 use it and pray for them. 509 00:19:13,709 --> 00:19:14,279 Absolutely. 510 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:14,869 right. 511 00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:15,539 For them. 512 00:19:15,539 --> 00:19:15,989 Thank you. 513 00:19:16,529 --> 00:19:17,309 Number two. 514 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:22,409 With your leader, ask for feedback on your work and your attitude. 515 00:19:22,739 --> 00:19:24,779 You can even invite confrontation. 516 00:19:25,169 --> 00:19:28,139 If you get confrontation, this can bring greater freedom in your 517 00:19:28,169 --> 00:19:31,859 relationship and it helps you be less defensive when conflict arise. 518 00:19:32,309 --> 00:19:34,499 And that's hard to do because I think sometimes as leaders, 519 00:19:34,499 --> 00:19:35,639 we don't care what they think. 520 00:19:35,979 --> 00:19:39,507 You always have to ask and be accountable and say, how's it going? 521 00:19:39,537 --> 00:19:40,557 What can we do better? 522 00:19:40,587 --> 00:19:41,547 What are we done? 523 00:19:41,547 --> 00:19:41,877 Good. 524 00:19:41,877 --> 00:19:42,987 And what can we do better? 525 00:19:43,977 --> 00:19:44,517 Is that fair? 526 00:19:44,577 --> 00:19:44,877 That's. 527 00:19:45,057 --> 00:19:45,657 Yeah, that's fair. 528 00:19:45,747 --> 00:19:46,437 Do you think Wayne. 529 00:19:47,157 --> 00:19:48,627 I remember when I was in college. 530 00:19:48,867 --> 00:19:51,458 You were talking about conflict and, having these kinds of 531 00:19:51,488 --> 00:19:52,718 uncomfortable conversations. 532 00:19:53,288 --> 00:19:54,518 Every roommate I had. 533 00:19:55,518 --> 00:19:59,418 It came to a point in the semester where we would get in a physical fight. 534 00:19:59,778 --> 00:20:00,798 The wow. 535 00:20:01,368 --> 00:20:02,288 Oh, my gosh. 536 00:20:03,018 --> 00:20:08,838 That's just in, just because we had such strong opinions on different things and 537 00:20:08,868 --> 00:20:12,408 we would let the tension and build up to the point where it would just spill over. 538 00:20:12,408 --> 00:20:14,538 And after that, We were fine. 539 00:20:14,838 --> 00:20:15,108 Wow. 540 00:20:15,138 --> 00:20:15,588 So we like. 541 00:20:15,678 --> 00:20:16,608 We got closer. 542 00:20:17,178 --> 00:20:18,378 And everything worked out great. 543 00:20:18,858 --> 00:20:19,428 Who won. 544 00:20:20,428 --> 00:20:21,088 Nobody. 545 00:20:21,298 --> 00:20:25,948 Oh, Yeah, one of my roommates was 6 2, 2 75. 546 00:20:26,218 --> 00:20:26,668 Gosh. 547 00:20:27,058 --> 00:20:29,278 What's wrong with being 6 2, 2 75. 548 00:20:29,278 --> 00:20:29,908 Wait a minute. 549 00:20:30,538 --> 00:20:31,138 I'm not. 550 00:20:32,038 --> 00:20:32,578 I am. 551 00:20:33,298 --> 00:20:34,348 That's what's wrong with it. 552 00:20:34,898 --> 00:20:36,008 So number three. 553 00:20:36,488 --> 00:20:40,148 Ask your leader, how you can make their job easier. 554 00:20:40,688 --> 00:20:41,828 Here's number four. 555 00:20:41,978 --> 00:20:44,168 And this is something that you touched on earlier. 556 00:20:44,168 --> 00:20:47,468 Dave support your leaders in front of other people. 557 00:20:47,858 --> 00:20:51,808 If someone is slandering a leader, refuse to participate in this and 558 00:20:52,228 --> 00:20:54,148 don't add any negative comments. 559 00:20:54,172 --> 00:20:59,392 Ephesians 4 29 through 32 tells us, let no corrupting talk, come out of your mouth, 560 00:20:59,632 --> 00:21:01,672 but only such as is good for building up. 561 00:21:01,732 --> 00:21:02,902 And it fits the occasion. 562 00:21:03,322 --> 00:21:06,982 One thing I can guarantee you that there's pastors listening to this. 563 00:21:07,312 --> 00:21:10,372 There's always been a situation where you walked into the church 564 00:21:10,372 --> 00:21:12,382 and there were people there you didn't expect to be there. 565 00:21:12,592 --> 00:21:15,322 And they stopped talking when you walked in and you're like, 566 00:21:15,322 --> 00:21:16,672 what the heck is going on? 567 00:21:17,092 --> 00:21:20,842 Instead of that person who had an issue with you coming to you and 568 00:21:20,842 --> 00:21:24,262 it hurts when that happens, but I think some of that's on us because 569 00:21:24,412 --> 00:21:28,710 we need to make sure that we're engaging before it gets to that point. 570 00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:29,040 Now. 571 00:21:29,340 --> 00:21:32,760 It's taken me a long time to even realize you're still gonna have that. 572 00:21:32,790 --> 00:21:34,170 There's going to be times when that happens. 573 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:34,380 Sure. 574 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,554 But I think you can, to quote that great. 575 00:21:36,604 --> 00:21:39,034 Theologian, Barney Fife nip it in the bud. 576 00:21:39,064 --> 00:21:39,574 Love it. 577 00:21:39,604 --> 00:21:39,994 Yes. 578 00:21:40,021 --> 00:21:42,181 Nip it in the bud nip. 579 00:21:42,181 --> 00:21:48,463 You have to work hard at making sure that they know your heart your purpose 580 00:21:48,493 --> 00:21:49,963 and what you're trying to accomplish. 581 00:21:49,963 --> 00:21:50,663 And if that's. 582 00:21:50,715 --> 00:21:53,398 Not enough, then they can go have their small groups and talk about you. 583 00:21:53,398 --> 00:21:55,968 But other than that, you do your best to do your best. 584 00:21:56,238 --> 00:21:56,718 That's good. 585 00:21:56,748 --> 00:21:58,068 Do your best to do your best. 586 00:21:58,068 --> 00:21:58,578 I like that. 587 00:21:58,578 --> 00:21:59,148 That ain't good. 588 00:21:59,928 --> 00:22:02,658 So number five is to share with your leader. 589 00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:06,318 Openly discuss your plans, your problems, your growth, or your 590 00:22:06,348 --> 00:22:10,228 ideas, let them in on your personal life or as much as appropriate. 591 00:22:10,246 --> 00:22:12,916 Obviously some leaders are better listeners than others, 592 00:22:13,156 --> 00:22:14,596 but don't give up too quickly. 593 00:22:14,596 --> 00:22:16,876 If you don't get the response that you're looking for. 594 00:22:16,876 --> 00:22:17,656 Keep trying. 595 00:22:18,196 --> 00:22:18,976 A hundred percent. 596 00:22:19,036 --> 00:22:21,226 And I think we as leaders. 597 00:22:21,886 --> 00:22:24,346 This is the one thing that I try to ask myself every day. 598 00:22:24,346 --> 00:22:25,666 Am I working hard? 599 00:22:25,697 --> 00:22:28,277 To listen and know what that person's saying, or am I wondering 600 00:22:28,277 --> 00:22:29,387 what I'm going to have for lunch? 601 00:22:29,777 --> 00:22:31,427 And sometimes I'm just going to be transparent. 602 00:22:31,457 --> 00:22:32,597 I wonder what I'm having for lunch. 603 00:22:32,627 --> 00:22:33,707 And I don't want to be that guy. 604 00:22:33,707 --> 00:22:37,697 And so I have to learn to look at that person and to hear 605 00:22:37,697 --> 00:22:39,317 that person and to actually. 606 00:22:40,037 --> 00:22:43,397 Let it go through my head so I can process what they're saying to me. 607 00:22:43,487 --> 00:22:43,967 That's true. 608 00:22:44,717 --> 00:22:46,007 I think that's really important. 609 00:22:46,427 --> 00:22:47,447 It's very, yeah, I agree. 610 00:22:47,477 --> 00:22:48,287 Very important. 611 00:22:49,367 --> 00:22:51,797 Number six is another one you touched on earlier, Dave. 612 00:22:52,157 --> 00:22:55,805 Encourage your leaders often about positive qualities everyone 613 00:22:55,805 --> 00:22:58,805 needs encouragement and leaders sometimes are the neediest. 614 00:22:59,215 --> 00:23:03,895 Proverbs 3 27 tells us do not withhold good from those to whom it is due 615 00:23:04,257 --> 00:23:04,467 yeah. 616 00:23:04,467 --> 00:23:07,017 And I think what we talked about that we talked about Barnabas and 617 00:23:07,347 --> 00:23:10,917 how incredible would it be that your name means son of encouragement? 618 00:23:10,947 --> 00:23:11,497 Oh my gosh. 619 00:23:11,534 --> 00:23:14,486 Everything he did was about encouraging others. 620 00:23:14,516 --> 00:23:17,696 It was about lifting people up, even though there were times that you 621 00:23:17,696 --> 00:23:21,476 read, he and Paul had some issue, you still see that he worked hard. 622 00:23:21,806 --> 00:23:23,898 Even, at the end they came back together. 623 00:23:23,898 --> 00:23:24,828 It's always. 624 00:23:25,368 --> 00:23:28,428 Hard, but it's important to encourage people. 625 00:23:28,452 --> 00:23:31,662 And love on them, even though you may not like them sometimes. 626 00:23:31,662 --> 00:23:34,677 And I understand that how hard that is. 627 00:23:34,947 --> 00:23:36,117 But I think it's essential. 628 00:23:36,117 --> 00:23:37,077 What do you think Wayne? 629 00:23:37,587 --> 00:23:38,427 I think it's important. 630 00:23:38,457 --> 00:23:39,507 It's also important. 631 00:23:40,507 --> 00:23:42,891 To define the encouragement in some settings. 632 00:23:43,161 --> 00:23:44,439 Oh I don't need. 633 00:23:45,139 --> 00:23:45,709 People too. 634 00:23:46,339 --> 00:23:47,179 Be like. 635 00:23:47,929 --> 00:23:49,487 Very over the top but if. 636 00:23:50,387 --> 00:23:51,557 One of my guys. 637 00:23:52,217 --> 00:23:56,097 Comments positively about something that I'm actually working on. 638 00:23:56,147 --> 00:23:57,197 That's encouraging to me. 639 00:23:57,437 --> 00:24:00,007 So it's not necessarily like some platitude. 640 00:24:00,014 --> 00:24:01,184 But it could look like. 641 00:24:01,210 --> 00:24:04,150 Some plan that I put in place is actually working. 642 00:24:04,270 --> 00:24:05,710 Just acknowledgement of that. 643 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,190 And as you're listening to this, think of someone that you can 644 00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:10,510 think of that has encouraged you. 645 00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:12,970 I know at least two guys here encourage me all the time. 646 00:24:12,970 --> 00:24:14,620 I've got a friend at church, Jeff Moore. 647 00:24:14,830 --> 00:24:18,595 He's always lifting me up and making me think about the right things. 648 00:24:18,985 --> 00:24:22,525 Even when he knows I'm frustrated, he'll come up to me and go, man, 649 00:24:22,525 --> 00:24:23,485 do you know how much I love you? 650 00:24:23,515 --> 00:24:24,925 And that means so much. 651 00:24:24,985 --> 00:24:27,355 It does when you're going through something or when 652 00:24:27,355 --> 00:24:28,765 you're tailing with people. 653 00:24:29,005 --> 00:24:33,266 And so I think it's really important to give that affirmation and to also 654 00:24:33,266 --> 00:24:34,951 just say, man, I am here for you. 655 00:24:34,951 --> 00:24:35,706 What can we do? 656 00:24:35,706 --> 00:24:36,516 I'm in your corner? 657 00:24:36,786 --> 00:24:37,296 I love it. 658 00:24:37,536 --> 00:24:40,241 And number seven goes right along with what you were saying, Wayne. 659 00:24:41,111 --> 00:24:43,661 Express gratitude for specific things. 660 00:24:43,661 --> 00:24:44,771 Your leader does. 661 00:24:45,011 --> 00:24:48,131 Most leaders receive far more criticism than they ever do. 662 00:24:48,131 --> 00:24:48,671 Thanks. 663 00:24:48,731 --> 00:24:54,238 And in fact we're directed to do this Hebrews 3:13 says, but exhort one 664 00:24:54,238 --> 00:24:59,578 another every day, as long as it is called today, that none of you may be 665 00:24:59,578 --> 00:25:01,828 hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 666 00:25:02,038 --> 00:25:03,788 we're told to do that every day. 667 00:25:04,208 --> 00:25:04,658 Yeah. 668 00:25:04,748 --> 00:25:05,078 And. 669 00:25:05,978 --> 00:25:09,698 You know what I think that means for me is that I can't get used to 670 00:25:09,698 --> 00:25:11,768 this, the sin that's in my life. 671 00:25:11,798 --> 00:25:11,948 And. 672 00:25:12,458 --> 00:25:16,956 I think one of the biggest things of sin is when we repeat it, I think. 673 00:25:17,256 --> 00:25:20,916 The biggest thing is when you ask God to forgive it, try to get rid of it. 674 00:25:20,983 --> 00:25:25,013 Yes, that's hard to do because I think some of us are more inept to. 675 00:25:25,013 --> 00:25:27,093 To follow certain sins that we struggle with. 676 00:25:27,093 --> 00:25:28,323 And we all struggle with sins. 677 00:25:28,323 --> 00:25:31,803 You need to hear me, but what am I doing to try to get right. 678 00:25:31,803 --> 00:25:35,223 And to get one with him so I can lead people the right way, 679 00:25:35,223 --> 00:25:37,653 because if I'm not, it's going to be hard for me to lead others. 680 00:25:37,653 --> 00:25:39,570 If I'm disappointed with the way I'm acting. 681 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,078 And, the Lord can use you in a mighty ministry in spite of you in spite of you. 682 00:25:44,138 --> 00:25:44,528 Amen. 683 00:25:44,558 --> 00:25:48,248 If you take a little time and effort to become an exemplary follower, who 684 00:25:48,248 --> 00:25:49,718 knows what great things can happen. 685 00:25:49,838 --> 00:25:50,588 Amen. 686 00:25:50,858 --> 00:25:52,358 Luke 18:22 says this. 687 00:25:52,388 --> 00:25:55,658 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, one thing, you still lack. 688 00:25:56,278 --> 00:26:00,122 Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor and you 689 00:26:00,122 --> 00:26:02,162 will have treasure in heaven. 690 00:26:03,092 --> 00:26:04,502 And come follow me. 691 00:26:05,342 --> 00:26:07,772 What are you giving up to follow Jesus? 692 00:26:07,802 --> 00:26:10,832 Are you willing to give up everything to follow him? 693 00:26:10,832 --> 00:26:12,422 I know some people that have done that. 694 00:26:12,636 --> 00:26:16,041 One of the guys that have, has always impressed me here in town, David Lane 695 00:26:16,056 --> 00:26:19,536 just quit and went to Guatemala and started telling people about Jesus that's. 696 00:26:19,926 --> 00:26:20,646 Credible right. 697 00:26:21,516 --> 00:26:25,116 Are you willing to give everything up and follow Jesus? 698 00:26:25,296 --> 00:26:27,636 And if not, I love you. 699 00:26:27,696 --> 00:26:31,176 You need to work at it because it's all a work in progress. 700 00:26:31,356 --> 00:26:34,746 The ultimate goal is am I following him? 701 00:26:34,746 --> 00:26:36,096 Thanks for listening today. 702 00:26:36,096 --> 00:26:39,036 If there's anything we can do for you, please let us know. 703 00:26:39,036 --> 00:26:40,116 We want to pray for you. 704 00:26:40,146 --> 00:26:44,466 We want to lift your ministry up, lift your workplace up, lift whatever 705 00:26:44,496 --> 00:26:47,736 we can to help you be a better leader, because that's the goal 706 00:26:47,946 --> 00:26:50,406 I'm here at Lead 12:12, and both. 707 00:26:50,466 --> 00:26:53,256 God's men say, Amen, thanks. 708 00:26:53,256 --> 00:26:53,976 Have a great day.

Hey everybody. We are back. The three Amigos. We’re excited to be talking to you today about Chris, what are we talking about? Today we’re going to finish up followership on episode 18. We began discussing our two-part discussion of followership, and we ended with discussing Kelly typology of followership.

Gotcha. Wayne, how are you? Good, man. How are you? Living the life, my brother, trying to get my blood pressure down. But other than that, I’m doing good. Everybody else. Good. Chris doing great. Good Jayden. That’s our dog. This with it. She might hear her snoring. She’s our mascot. We love her.

All right, let’s get rolling. All right. So the last time we ended with Kelly typology, and I’ll give a quick review of that. Kelly typology is the most recognized form of followership. It comes from Robert Kelly in his book, “The Power of Followership”. And he argues that the power of followers usually goes unrecognized. Would you guys agree with that?

Sure. Wayne, what do you think. Yes.

He also argues that followers are a vital part of leadership. And he emphasized that the motivations of followers and their behavior is used to shape leadership and. The goal of Kelly’s typology is to become what’s called an exemplary follower. Gotcha. And it’s important that we put this down in later as we finish this up and at the end, we’ll have some scripture, but the main goal for us as Christians is to follow Christ.

Absolutely. We follow him as our example, we understand the importance of being a follower. And I don’t know if we teach that enough. I think sometimes. We we do the old lead follower get out of my way and I get it, but I think we need to follow. And sometimes we don’t teach that enough in the church. So you’re absolutely right.

Just a second thought there, we don’t teach much about following it all. We’ll teach you how to be a good leader. But how to be a good follower that never comes up. Never an ultimately. That’s our calling is to follow Christ. What do you think Wayne? I think a good leader has to be a follower.

Then we got to follow somebody. Absolutely. Amen. Amen. So according to Kelly. Followers have two styles. And this is again what we went over in the last episode. They have independent and critical thinking or their depended and uncritical thinking. And of those two dimensions, you get five follower types.

The passive followers, these are the sheep and they look to the leader for everything, both the direction and motivation. And you get conformist. Those were yes, people. And they’re always on the leader side and they still look to the leader for guidance and direction. Then you get the alienated followers. These people think for themselves, and they have a lot of negative energy and they’re usually always against the leader.

The fourth type is a pragmatic followers and these are the fence sitters. They support the status quo, but they don’t get on board until everybody else does. And the last is the exemplary followers. These are the star followers. These are our goals. What’s another name for an exemplary follower, Dave.

That’s a good question. Have you ever had someone that you consider to be a really good follower? You are really close to them and you may even call them friend. Sure absolutely. I’ve got a verse for us here. This is in John 15:15. Jesus says no longer do I call you servants for the servant does not know what his master is doing, but I’ve called you friends for all that I ever heard from my father. I have made known to you.

That’s good. One of the things that I want to make sure we get across. This isn’t being passive aggressive. This is actually following someone you believe in. And when you do that and when you have people do that for you, ultimately I think Wayne. Put it really good. Just a few minutes ago. We’re all following something. We are.

And if we’re following ourself, we’re in destruction mode. And so we need to really think on who we’re following while we’re following and how do we. I guess I get word as exemplify that to other people, show that to other people and to be the follower of the one that you believe in. I agree with that.

Oh, there you go. Take care of Palo’s. It’s been rough. When the day I got there, though, I’m back. He’s back.

Okay. Based on those five types. We know that exemplary or effective followers have four qualities. Number one they self-manage and think for themselves. Number two, they have a strong commitment to the organizational goals. Number three, they build competence and they master their job skills. Number four, they’re ethical and courageous.

They may even dare to challenge the leader. And. There’s a correct time to do that. And there’s an incorrect time to do that. Ephesians four 15 tells us. Rather speaking the truth in love. We are to grow up in every way into him, who is the head into Christ. So you’ve got to do that in love. Yeah. And if we understand.

Every commandment from Jesus talks about loving each other. And honestly, I don’t know if we do it well

I agree with that completely. The problem with it is we’re scared. And I know every one of us is listening to this. At some point you’ve been hurt by someone else. And when you get hurt, That hurt comes across in a situation where you don’t want to follow anybody because you’re afraid you’re gonna get hurt again.

That’s true. Here’s the reality. And this is what we got. Understand the problem wasn’t us. It was the person we were following. And if we’re not following the right one, then we’re never going to get on the right boat. And so if I’m following Jesus first, and then I follow people who love Jesus, then I’m on the right path. That doesn’t mean they won’t let me down because they will.

Ask yourself, this situation in church work or anything else? The people that I’m leading or the people I’m following, do they love Jesus with reckless abandonment? And if they don’t, then you’re going to have issue. That’s it. What do you think? It’s interesting because. I don’t work in a church. I don’t know. That there are a lot of people. That I work with that follow Jesus. But that doesn’t give me. An out. True. To not be. That example. That makes sense. A hundred percent, right?

And I think accountability is a big thing there. I think. I’m accountable to Jesus and Jesus alone. And so where no matter what I’m at or where I’m at, I got to exemplify him and show him because people need to know about him. You know why? Because he’s incredible. Amen man changed my mind. He changed my life and I know that he can change anyone else that I get to lead. And so if I’m leading them, I’m leading them to Jesus. True. No, that’s so true.

That is so true and it was beautiful. And ultimately that’s what leadership is Chris? Whether you’re doing it like where Wayne is or where you are, or even at a church where I am we’re leading people, hopefully that they see Jesus in us. Amen. And if they don’t, I want to challenge you as leaders reevaluate your leadership because you’re messing it. That is our number one goal. You’re exactly right.

That’s good stuff I feel like I need to be writing that down Dave. It stuff. It took me a minute to get warmed up right now. We’re rolling here. Off you go. I don’t know about all that, but I’m trying.

So let’s talk about engagement and followers have different levels of engagement, and in fact, there’s five levels. And as you can see, the engagement matters quite a bit with followers. The first level of followers are completely isolated and they’re unengaged.

I’m going to put you on the spot, Dave, if you were to give a percentage of average church goers how many people would you say are. Completely unengaged. That’s fair. Not at Christchurch case anyone from.

But the other churches. Honestly sometimes This is horrible to say, I’ve read things that say 20% sometimes. I can honestly say with Christ church, I feel like we have heavy involvement. 70, 80% easy and we’re working on everyone to get involved in the church .

Again, people don’t want to engage in what you’re doing. Sometimes engagement’s a good word that I don’t know. We, if we understand if we’re engaging with people, it means we’re helping them to see what we believe. Yes. And so that’s an important thing in my life. And if I’m messing that, so the average church, I don’t know. I think the churches that I’ve been, I was at one church where I was lucky. If it was 10%, I’ve been one church where I’m currently at, where it feels like sometimes it’s 90%. So you just don’t know.

90%. I feel like we do really well if I’m honest with you, but I do think I do. Definitely. I still think we were missing people and one of the things Jeff Gaines and I do who’s. Leading our lead pastor. And I worked with him. One of the things that we try to do in everything that we do is how do we get people more involved? How do we get them to come on Sunday nights? How do we do stuff?

That would help them see how important Christ is in their life. And if we’re missing that we’re missing everything. You’re right. One of the ways that we do that at the church. Is when you keep talking about engagement. It’s not like in term, it’s a way of life. And the focus is literally just sitting down.

Across from somebody. And letting them. Let you experience what they go through. That’s good. Very good. It’s really good. And for example, like we have upward Wayne and I got the hangout. I’m not going in details about what happened.

Oh, my aching back. Let us pray. If you ever want to really find out how much he loves Jesus what’s fifth and sixth grade basketball game and watch the parents afterwards. Let us pray. But I got to hang out with Wayne and he got to see me in a situation that where it was intense at times. He got to settle me down and it was good. It was good for us just to be there for each other. And I think.

The only way you do that’s to do life. You got to find places where there’s upward or it’s a small group or whatever it is. That’s your following and then that’s it. I know that’s mainly church. I know I’m talking to that, but even in your work, you’ve got to find ways to have lunch with people. You got to have, find ways to get to know the people on just a little bit deeper level.

Amen. That’s true. Yeah. So we discussed the people who are unengaged. What about the next level up the bystanders or observers? Who show up and they’re there, but they don’t do anything.

Again, don’t ask me how many are that is church. No, we don’t want the oh. And here’s the thing that I think you need to ask of you as you’re listening to this. How am I at my workplace? How am I at my church? Yeah. How am I doing in, other places in life where God’s called me to lead?

What am I doing? And I, am I an engaged in, what do I need to do to get my head there? Absolutely. And, moving on the next step up from that or that the participants. And they’re partially engaged and they’re even willing to take a stand on some issues. Gotcha. Good stuff. Moving up from there, we’ve got activists. They feel strongly about the leader and the leader’s policies, and they’ll even act on their own beliefs.

But it’s still not what we’re looking for. Correct? Correct. We’re moving at it. This is the last one. These are the diehards and they’re dedicated to the cause they’re deeply committed to supporting or opposing the leaders. A diehard can be on either side.

Gotcha. Explain that either side of what. You can have a follower who is a diehard who completely supports everything you do, because they believe in you. they know that you are a man of God or perhaps you’ve made them angry and they show up at church every time just to oppose everything you do. And there’s still diehard. Yeah. I’ve met that. Both of those people actually.

So that’s interesting. That’s crazy is. And not in Christchurch. Not at all. But other churches I’ve been in. I heard that. That’s good. With all this in mind. And keep in mind, the followership is brand new. They’re just started studying this and the academics are just starting to put this out. We’ve got a new co-created leadership process.

The leaders behaviors are influence attempts on the followers and they have to work together for leadership. So we study all this on leadership, but if we don’t have followers that are engaged, you’re not going to be successful.

A hundred percent. And I believe that with church work, I believe that with anything. Even like ministers groups, I’ve been in, sometimes we’re all trying to do the same thing, which is to love our community. And sometimes we’re trying to compete with each other and to get other people.

To come to our church from their church. Sure. The goal shouldn’t be that in church work, the goal should be, how are we looking at following Christ and loving people and doing what our niche is doing, what we do and do it well, At Christ church. Our goal is for people to see that they have real hope in Jesus.

That’s everything that motivates me when I get up and when I walk and when I talk and I want to motivate people to the hope they have in Jesus. Very good. And I’ve got five questions. I want to ask Dave and Wayne, I want you to say true or false. If you think an exemplary leader does this.

Are you worried, Wayne? Oh, I’m terrified.

They haven’t seen the answers. I’m going to open it up now, let us pray. You should start with Dave.

All right. Then I tell you guys, I love Wayne. Take that back. Number one followers. Get the job done. Is that true or false? Oh, so I can’t say sometimes. Nope. It’s just one or the other. Get the job done. Oh, I’m going to go with true. Wayne I’ll go with the truth. The true is the answer. You’re correct.

Thank you. Leaders can lead all they want, but it is the followers that gets the job done. Amen. That’s good. The second one. Now we’re talking about the exemplary followers work in the best interest of the organization’s mission.

So are we talking that they should do that? Yes. True. Wayne. Sure. You’re exactly right. Two for two aisle. Good job.

Me and my blood pressure’s high. What are you doing? Number three followers support the leader. True or false. True. Sure. Very good. We’re on a roll. Number four followers challenge the leader. I think true to that. Wayne. What do you think. I think sure. Excellent. They should. And they should, if they’re doing their thing right.

Again, let me just say that’s accountability. I should know that somebody can ask me, what are you doing with this? And I should be able to say, this is where I am, and this is what I’m doing, because I’m accountable to those who are following me and. In my opinion. So you’re absolutely right.

Here’s the last one. Followers learn from leaders. True. Wayne. Sure you got it. You guys got a hundred percent way to go. Why didn’t you tell us they were all true.

I wish you all could see the look. That the look of fear on Dave. Fear, nothing. That was my blood pressure going through. I’ve got to get my pills out. Thank you very much. So now that’s that’s the basics of followership. I want to go over the strengths of followership. Followership we now know is an important part of the leadership equation and that’s something we did not know 20 years ago.

Followership forces a whole new way for people to think about leadership and a focus on the followers. Back in the day, followers were not a focus of anything.

True because we were all doing our own thing. Yes. I think this happens in church, work to. I think we forget about the people that are in the pew that we’re trying to love on. we’re not just trying to get people in the church. We’re trying to bless those that are already there.

Oh, yes. The thing is though, when you bless those that are already there, it’s very important that you understand that they’re going to bless you too, because it’s a team and they become part of the one community loving Jesus together. That’s what church work ultimately is. If we can get there. Does that make sense?

It makes perfect sense. What do you think Wayne? I think. I agree with what you’re saying. Okay. But also, no. No, but don’t call me that.

It’s important to remember that their followers are not employees. That’s true. They’re making a conscious decision. To get behind in something you support or something you advocate or whatever it is. Let me say this. I know we got a few seconds, but let me just say this, because this is very important. I think you also have to understand that as leaders we make mistakes and.

I think when you follow. People you have to give them grace and. I don’t know if we do that enough. I think we’re really quick to judge. And as soon as we blow it, that’s it. Sorry, you can’t lead me anymore. The truth is. If you’re following people, you’re going to be disappointed at some point every time.

If you’re just putting it on us, we’re going to let you down. Is that fair? We are definitely going to let you down. Yes. We’re only human and we’re mess.

But I wanted to share this with you. We discussed percentages a minute ago and during all of my leadership training, as I’m getting my doctorate. We had a study where we show percentages. And you consider your team in a rowboat. 10% of your team is actively rowing. And they’re trying to get the team back to shore or out to sea, wherever you’re going, but they’re working with you and they’re working hard.

60% of the team. Is not doing anything they’re lounging around and sitting there. 20% are just doing minimal effort, just bare minimum. And 10% is actively working against the team.

And that’s something to think about when you look at your team and think, why are 10% of my people working against me here? I haven’t reached them in some way. So let’s go back to what we were just talking about because we’re leading people and people will let you down as well.

And one of the things I don’t think we teach enough as leaders, ministers, whatever the point is, you can’t put your faith in a person. You put your faith in. in God. And if you don’t do that, You’re totally missing the whole point. Absolutely. And now here’s the last thing I’ve got. This is how to be an exemplary follower.

And there are seven steps. And I want you guys to think of a relationship you have, where you are the follower, and you don’t have to answer these. And I want people listening, think about the relationship where you are a follower, and we’re going to find out if you’re an exemplary follower. The first step to being an exemplary follower is to pray for your leader and even let your leaders know you’re praying for them.

A hundred percent, I think. If we’re not, especially in church work, but in anything. That’s the thing I don’t think that people do when they’re leading outside of the church enough. I don’t think we, we pray for those that we get to lead I worked for the state and I realized when I was working.

There that I needed to love the people that God put in my path. And if I didn’t. I was going to mess it up. I was working with juveniles and at first I was like, man, these kids are messes, but then I realized we all are. And so that’s good. Yeah. It’s really important that you understand that no matter what, who God puts you with is who God puts you with. Yes. So quit complaining about it and start seeing how you can use it and pray for them.

Absolutely. right. For them. Thank you. Number two. With your leader, ask for feedback on your work and your attitude. You can even invite confrontation. If you get confrontation, this can bring greater freedom in your relationship and it helps you be less defensive when conflict arise. And that’s hard to do because I think sometimes as leaders, we don’t care what they think.

You always have to ask and be accountable and say, how’s it going? What can we do better? What are we done? Good. And what can we do better? Is that fair? That’s. Yeah, that’s fair. Do you think Wayne. I remember when I was in college. You were talking about conflict and, having these kinds of uncomfortable conversations.

Every roommate I had.

It came to a point in the semester where we would get in a physical fight. The wow. Oh, my gosh. That’s just in, just because we had such strong opinions on different things and we would let the tension and build up to the point where it would just spill over. And after that, We were fine. Wow. So we like.

We got closer. And everything worked out great. Who won.

Nobody. Oh, Yeah, one of my roommates was 6 2, 2 75. Gosh. What’s wrong with being 6 2, 2 75. Wait a minute. I’m not. I am. That’s what’s wrong with it.

So number three. Ask your leader, how you can make their job easier. Here’s number four. And this is something that you touched on earlier. Dave support your leaders in front of other people. If someone is slandering a leader, refuse to participate in this and don’t add any negative comments. Ephesians 4 29 through 32 tells us, let no corrupting talk, come out of your mouth, but only such as is good for building up. And it fits the occasion.

One thing I can guarantee you that there’s pastors listening to this. There’s always been a situation where you walked into the church and there were people there you didn’t expect to be there. And they stopped talking when you walked in and you’re like, what the heck is going on? Instead of that person who had an issue with you coming to you and it hurts when that happens, but I think some of that’s on us because we need to make sure that we’re engaging before it gets to that point. Now.

It’s taken me a long time to even realize you’re still gonna have that. There’s going to be times when that happens. Sure. But I think you can, to quote that great. Theologian, Barney Fife nip it in the bud. Love it. Yes. Nip it in the bud nip. You have to work hard at making sure that they know your heart your purpose and what you’re trying to accomplish. And if that’s.

Not enough, then they can go have their small groups and talk about you. But other than that, you do your best to do your best. That’s good. Do your best to do your best. I like that. That ain’t good. So number five is to share with your leader. Openly discuss your plans, your problems, your growth, or your ideas, let them in on your personal life or as much as appropriate.

Obviously some leaders are better listeners than others, but don’t give up too quickly. If you don’t get the response that you’re looking for. Keep trying. A hundred percent. And I think we as leaders. This is the one thing that I try to ask myself every day. Am I working hard? To listen and know what that person’s saying, or am I wondering what I’m going to have for lunch? And sometimes I’m just going to be transparent. I wonder what I’m having for lunch. And I don’t want to be that guy. And so I have to learn to look at that person and to hear that person and to actually.

Let it go through my head so I can process what they’re saying to me. That’s true. I think that’s really important. It’s very, yeah, I agree. Very important. Number six is another one you touched on earlier, Dave. Encourage your leaders often about positive qualities everyone needs encouragement and leaders sometimes are the neediest. Proverbs 3 27 tells us do not withhold good from those to whom it is due

yeah. And I think what we talked about that we talked about Barnabas and how incredible would it be that your name means son of encouragement? Oh my gosh. Everything he did was about encouraging others. It was about lifting people up, even though there were times that you read, he and Paul had some issue, you still see that he worked hard.

Even, at the end they came back together. It’s always. Hard, but it’s important to encourage people. And love on them, even though you may not like them sometimes. And I understand that how hard that is. But I think it’s essential. What do you think Wayne? I think it’s important. It’s also important.

To define the encouragement in some settings. Oh I don’t need. People too. Be like. Very over the top but if. One of my guys. Comments positively about something that I’m actually working on.

That’s encouraging to me. So it’s not necessarily like some platitude. But it could look like. Some plan that I put in place is actually working. Just acknowledgement of that. And as you’re listening to this, think of someone that you can think of that has encouraged you. I know at least two guys here encourage me all the time. I’ve got a friend at church, Jeff Moore. He’s always lifting me up and making me think about the right things.

Even when he knows I’m frustrated, he’ll come up to me and go, man, do you know how much I love you? And that means so much. It does when you’re going through something or when you’re tailing with people. And so I think it’s really important to give that affirmation and to also just say, man, I am here for you. What can we do? I’m in your corner?

I love it. And number seven goes right along with what you were saying, Wayne. Express gratitude for specific things. Your leader does. Most leaders receive far more criticism than they ever do. Thanks. And in fact we’re directed to do this Hebrews 3:13 says, but exhort one another every day, as long as it is called today, that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.

we’re told to do that every day. Yeah. And. You know what I think that means for me is that I can’t get used to this, the sin that’s in my life. And. I think one of the biggest things of sin is when we repeat it, I think. The biggest thing is when you ask God to forgive it, try to get rid of it.

Yes, that’s hard to do because I think some of us are more inept to. To follow certain sins that we struggle with. And we all struggle with sins. You need to hear me, but what am I doing to try to get right. And to get one with him so I can lead people the right way, because if I’m not, it’s going to be hard for me to lead others. If I’m disappointed with the way I’m acting.

And, the Lord can use you in a mighty ministry in spite of you in spite of you. Amen. If you take a little time and effort to become an exemplary follower, who knows what great things can happen. Amen. Luke 18:22 says this. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, one thing, you still lack. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven.

And come follow me. What are you giving up to follow Jesus? Are you willing to give up everything to follow him? I know some people that have done that. One of the guys that have, has always impressed me here in town, David Lane just quit and went to Guatemala and started telling people about Jesus that’s.

Credible right. Are you willing to give everything up and follow Jesus? And if not, I love you. You need to work at it because it’s all a work in progress. The ultimate goal is am I following him? Thanks for listening today. If there’s anything we can do for you, please let us know. We want to pray for you. We want to lift your ministry up, lift your workplace up, lift whatever we can to help you be a better leader, because that’s the goal I’m here at Lead 12:12, and both.

God’s men say, Amen, thanks. Have a great day.

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