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First, Break All The Rules

We discuss Marcus Buckingham’s best-selling novel “First, Break All The Rules: What the World’s Greatest Managers Do” and pay special attention to the 12 simple statements that distinguish the strongest departments of a company from the rest. These 12 statements are arranged as a process for (appropriately enough) climbing mountains and are: Base Camp: “What […]

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First, Break All The Rules

We discuss Marcus Buckingham’s best-selling novel “First, Break All The Rules: What the World’s Greatest Managers Do” and pay special attention to the 12 simple statements that distinguish the strongest departments of a company from the rest. These 12 statements are arranged as a process for (appropriately enough) climbing mountains and are: Base Camp: “What […]

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1 00:00:00,066 --> 00:00:00,900 Hey, Chris. 2 00:00:00,900 --> 00:00:01,568 Hey, Dave. 3 00:00:01,568 --> 00:00:04,070 What's going. On? Hey, man. How's it going? 4 00:00:04,104 --> 00:00:06,206 It's going good. I got a question for you. 5 00:00:06,239 --> 00:00:07,173 What's up? 6 00:00:07,173 --> 00:00:11,311 How can people get ahold of us for Lead 12:12? Well, that's a great question. 7 00:00:11,311 --> 00:00:14,814 We've got a great looking website, and we've got a lot of functionality on there. 8 00:00:14,814 --> 00:00:18,251 It's www.lead1212.com. 9 00:00:18,284 --> 00:00:20,820 I'm glad something has functionality on it. 10 00:00:21,254 --> 00:00:21,888 That's right. 11 00:00:21,888 --> 00:00:24,891 Hey, everybody, check us out. 12 00:00:41,841 --> 00:00:44,044 This is Lead 12:12. 13 00:00:44,377 --> 00:00:48,615 A podcast on Christ centered leadership based on Romans 12:12. 14 00:00:48,782 --> 00:00:49,849 Rejoice in hope. 15 00:00:49,849 --> 00:00:51,618 Be patient in tribulation. 16 00:00:51,618 --> 00:00:53,486 Be constant in prayer. 17 00:00:53,486 --> 00:00:54,721 Thanks for listening. 18 00:00:54,721 --> 00:00:57,390 Now, here's Chris and Dave. 19 00:00:58,224 --> 00:00:59,092 Hey, everybody. 20 00:00:59,092 --> 00:01:01,795 We're so glad to be here with you today. 21 00:01:01,795 --> 00:01:02,962 For Lead 12:12. 22 00:01:02,962 --> 00:01:05,598 We're going to talk about a book. Is that right, Chris? 23 00:01:05,765 --> 00:01:06,232 That's right. 24 00:01:06,232 --> 00:01:10,136 The book is a very popular management book called First Break 25 00:01:10,136 --> 00:01:13,540 All the Rules is by Marcus Buckingham, written in 1999. 26 00:01:13,573 --> 00:01:16,976 Yeah. And so tell me why that's a good idea. 27 00:01:17,310 --> 00:01:20,080 What the book is about is Marcus Buckingham. 28 00:01:20,313 --> 00:01:24,784 Climbed Mount Everest and he relates this to leadership. 29 00:01:24,784 --> 00:01:29,255 If you can imagine climbing Mount Everest and the top is the perfect team. 30 00:01:29,689 --> 00:01:31,691 That's how you get there step by step. 31 00:01:31,691 --> 00:01:35,495 One of my, one of my favorite books is the North Face of God. 32 00:01:35,495 --> 00:01:40,400 And it's about the guy climbed Mount Everest and he's talking about, 33 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,703 you know, all the trials and all I don't know what, but yeah, I think 34 00:01:44,237 --> 00:01:46,406 I'll I'll know the author by the end of this. 35 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:48,508 Okay, we've got Wayne with us, too. 36 00:01:48,541 --> 00:01:50,810 How are you? Wayne? Wayne. What's up? 37 00:01:51,644 --> 00:01:52,178 How are. You? 38 00:01:52,178 --> 00:01:54,781 Tell us how things are going for you. 39 00:01:54,781 --> 00:01:56,082 They're going on right. 40 00:01:56,349 --> 00:01:57,851 When you like a lot of outdoor stuff. 41 00:01:57,851 --> 00:01:59,853 Have you done mountain climbing? 42 00:01:59,853 --> 00:02:01,421 I've not done mountain climbing. 43 00:02:01,421 --> 00:02:03,189 I have done some spelunking. 44 00:02:03,189 --> 00:02:05,091 Okay. Okay. We don't curse on here. 45 00:02:08,628 --> 00:02:11,564 So where did you spelunking? 46 00:02:11,798 --> 00:02:12,932 I don't know. 47 00:02:12,932 --> 00:02:15,602 I literally went with a guy that I worked with at the time. 48 00:02:15,902 --> 00:02:16,803 That is hilarious. 49 00:02:16,803 --> 00:02:18,138 We drove to Eastern Kentucky. 50 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:19,939 We pulled it off on the side of the road, 51 00:02:19,939 --> 00:02:22,242 parked in a church parking lot, walked up a hill. 52 00:02:22,742 --> 00:02:25,879 He pointed to the ground and said, that hole right there is the start of the cave. 53 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:28,581 And we slid down that hole. Wow. 54 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:30,783 And that was it. 55 00:02:30,783 --> 00:02:32,785 So we walked all the way through these caves. 56 00:02:32,785 --> 00:02:35,221 And I said, do you have. That's amazing. A map. 57 00:02:35,255 --> 00:02:38,091 And he said, No, I know this place like the back of my hand. 58 00:02:38,458 --> 00:02:41,194 So did you have equipment or are you just walking around in there. 59 00:02:41,761 --> 00:02:44,964 Had a helmet and a light? Wow. 60 00:02:45,598 --> 00:02:46,332 Oh, close. 61 00:02:46,332 --> 00:02:51,037 If if I went and I can probably say the same for Dave, it would be. My. 62 00:02:54,007 --> 00:02:55,175 That's good stuff right there. 63 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:57,143 I don't care who you are. 64 00:02:57,377 --> 00:03:00,346 Well, I was I was much younger, so it would be that way for me now. 65 00:03:01,147 --> 00:03:01,948 Oh, yeah. 66 00:03:02,715 --> 00:03:05,118 The funny thing was, this guy, he didn't have the map 67 00:03:06,519 --> 00:03:08,321 like the back of his hand. 68 00:03:08,321 --> 00:03:10,857 We're in there 10 minutes. 69 00:03:10,857 --> 00:03:11,758 He gets lost. 70 00:03:11,758 --> 00:03:13,493 Oh, no. Aha. 71 00:03:13,493 --> 00:03:16,296 He literally said 72 00:03:19,098 --> 00:03:20,366 it made me think of the Johnny Cash 73 00:03:20,366 --> 00:03:23,870 autobiography that I read where he ended up getting lost in the cave. 74 00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:25,071 And, my gosh. 75 00:03:25,071 --> 00:03:29,175 Everything was so dark and he didn't know it, but he was on the edge of 76 00:03:30,376 --> 00:03:32,545 the top level before he dreamed, you know, 77 00:03:32,579 --> 00:03:35,548 if he'd a couple of feet in the way he's been, then 78 00:03:36,716 --> 00:03:41,154 But this dude took me in this giant open kind of amphitheater and said, Don't move. 79 00:03:41,921 --> 00:03:43,356 I'll figure out how to get out of here. 80 00:03:43,356 --> 00:03:44,324 And I'm like, 81 00:03:44,624 --> 00:03:48,027 Well, I wasn't going to move anyway, but now he's sure not good to me. 82 00:03:48,328 --> 00:03:49,329 Good night. 83 00:03:49,329 --> 00:03:52,031 So they ever occur to you that you may not get out of there? 84 00:03:52,098 --> 00:03:54,300 Oh, yeah. Yes. 85 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:55,969 How old were you at the time? 86 00:03:55,969 --> 00:03:58,771 25. Okay. My goodness. 87 00:03:59,772 --> 00:04:00,640 That's crazy. 88 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,243 Yeah. I can't imagine that we. 89 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:08,448 We didn't have a good a good foundation to start from, so we just had to wing it. 90 00:04:08,982 --> 00:04:12,518 And it's, you know, that's complete darkness without those lights. 91 00:04:12,518 --> 00:04:15,255 That is total darkness. 92 00:04:15,255 --> 00:04:15,788 Yeah. 93 00:04:15,788 --> 00:04:17,824 I can't even imagine. My goodness. 94 00:04:18,458 --> 00:04:20,760 The author of that book was Kingi or. 95 00:04:20,827 --> 00:04:22,395 Kingi Shout out to Kingi. 96 00:04:22,395 --> 00:04:24,330 Or the North Face of God. 97 00:04:24,330 --> 00:04:27,200 It's for me. 98 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,935 Some of you probably don't know this. 99 00:04:28,935 --> 00:04:33,039 We had a son that passed away, and when we went through that, I read that 100 00:04:33,039 --> 00:04:37,977 book and that book talked about kind of, you know, all the difficulties in life. 101 00:04:38,211 --> 00:04:41,748 And he and the kind of parallel that was climbing the north face of God. 102 00:04:41,748 --> 00:04:43,750 And so is really good book. 103 00:04:43,750 --> 00:04:47,987 Really help me if you're going through a time of grief, I highly recommend it 104 00:04:47,987 --> 00:04:51,557 because it will help you process and think through some things. 105 00:04:51,557 --> 00:04:56,462 So, Dave, what you went through, I think if not most of us, definitely 106 00:04:56,462 --> 00:04:59,832 a lot of us think that is the worst thing that can happen to a parent. 107 00:04:59,832 --> 00:05:01,868 It is the worst nightmare. 108 00:05:01,868 --> 00:05:04,103 And for you to give a book like that 109 00:05:04,103 --> 00:05:06,105 the shout out and praise, it has to be a great book. 110 00:05:06,105 --> 00:05:08,374 I'm going to have to pick that up and read it is really good. 111 00:05:08,408 --> 00:05:11,110 And, you know, here's the thing. 112 00:05:11,110 --> 00:05:12,478 Grief doesn't leave you. 113 00:05:12,478 --> 00:05:14,280 You just learn how to process it's true. 114 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,282 And that's just that's the key with anything. 115 00:05:16,282 --> 00:05:19,118 And this life is hard and it is, you know, and we're 116 00:05:19,352 --> 00:05:22,088 we have a lot of fun here and we want to juggle. 117 00:05:22,288 --> 00:05:24,924 But the only way you can get through anything is Jesus. 118 00:05:25,291 --> 00:05:27,860 And if you don't get that from us that we've missed the boat. 119 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:28,995 That's true. 120 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:30,997 You know, you're right. It never goes away. 121 00:05:30,997 --> 00:05:35,902 My I lost my mother in 90 13 days before my first professional fight. 122 00:05:36,302 --> 00:05:41,074 And to this day, a smell can bring back her memory. 123 00:05:41,074 --> 00:05:41,741 Oh, yeah. 124 00:05:41,874 --> 00:05:44,243 Or a song that just hits me a certain way. 125 00:05:44,243 --> 00:05:47,146 And it's just like losing her all over again. 126 00:05:47,146 --> 00:05:47,680 Same. 127 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:48,514 I totally get that. 128 00:05:48,514 --> 00:05:50,817 And that was 91. I'm not older. 129 00:05:54,187 --> 00:05:55,822 Ladies and gentlemen, Chris. 130 00:05:55,822 --> 00:05:58,825 All Oh, thank you. 131 00:05:58,958 --> 00:06:02,395 Oh, man, you are on fire today. 132 00:06:02,829 --> 00:06:03,363 Yeah. 133 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:05,665 All right, so let's start first break. All the rules. 134 00:06:06,032 --> 00:06:09,335 Again, the idea is this is a person that climbed Mount Everest 135 00:06:09,769 --> 00:06:11,304 and he's going to break down. 136 00:06:11,304 --> 00:06:13,039 How do you build your team? 137 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:17,710 How to make sure your team knows what to do and essentially build the perfect team. 138 00:06:18,644 --> 00:06:21,214 So that possible. As close as you can get. 139 00:06:21,247 --> 00:06:23,282 This is something that I really believe in. 140 00:06:23,282 --> 00:06:25,485 And I use this in my meetings frequently. 141 00:06:25,518 --> 00:06:26,419 Right. 142 00:06:26,586 --> 00:06:29,155 Wayne, have you ever been a part of like a perfect team 143 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:32,158 This one. 144 00:06:32,158 --> 00:06:34,160 Oh, thank you. Wow. 145 00:06:34,761 --> 00:06:38,898 The dude is on fire today. 146 00:06:38,931 --> 00:06:41,534 Love it. El Fuego Way to go, man. 147 00:06:41,567 --> 00:06:44,504 So these are questions you want to start off asking yourself, 148 00:06:44,871 --> 00:06:45,838 and then you want to ask 149 00:06:45,838 --> 00:06:49,509 everyone on your team, and that'll let you know where people are. 150 00:06:49,776 --> 00:06:52,145 And it'll also let you know what's needed at the team. 151 00:06:52,145 --> 00:06:54,013 And the first is two questions. 152 00:06:54,013 --> 00:06:55,415 And we call this base camp. 153 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:58,317 You've got to set up base camp before you can do anything else. 154 00:06:58,751 --> 00:07:03,156 The very first question is do I know what is expected of me at work? 155 00:07:03,689 --> 00:07:07,894 If you don't know what's expected, then you can't you can't do your job. 156 00:07:08,261 --> 00:07:09,128 Hundred percent. 157 00:07:09,128 --> 00:07:11,130 Dave, do you know what's expected of you in leadership? 158 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:12,131 I do. 159 00:07:12,131 --> 00:07:15,868 I am 100% here and sometime but I will say this. 160 00:07:15,868 --> 00:07:18,871 I've been in ministry for I'm pushing 30 years 161 00:07:19,205 --> 00:07:22,141 and there was this when I first started, I didn't have a clue. 162 00:07:22,942 --> 00:07:24,944 You can't really excel if you don't know. 163 00:07:25,178 --> 00:07:26,746 The older you get, the more 164 00:07:26,746 --> 00:07:31,217 you understand that foundational things of understanding like this. 165 00:07:31,751 --> 00:07:33,052 This base question. 166 00:07:33,052 --> 00:07:36,789 Yes. Are essential for you to be able to build a team, grow 167 00:07:36,789 --> 00:07:40,793 a team, and honestly lead Absolutely. 168 00:07:41,127 --> 00:07:41,761 About you, Wayne. 169 00:07:41,761 --> 00:07:43,863 Do you know what's expected of you at work? 170 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:47,099 Yes. Now you have a team to you're a leader at work. 171 00:07:47,133 --> 00:07:49,402 Does everyone on your team know what's expected of them? 172 00:07:50,169 --> 00:07:51,571 I try to make sure that they know. 173 00:07:51,571 --> 00:07:54,207 If they don't, that's a failure on the leader. Wouldn't you agree? 174 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,209 I would agree. Well, you don't have to be mean to 175 00:07:57,243 --> 00:07:57,977 dang. 176 00:07:57,977 --> 00:08:01,747 So the second question of base camp is do I have the materials 177 00:08:01,747 --> 00:08:04,150 and equipment to do my work right now? 178 00:08:04,183 --> 00:08:05,451 Let me put a caveat in there. 179 00:08:05,451 --> 00:08:06,452 That doesn't mean to you 180 00:08:06,452 --> 00:08:10,223 have the best of all possible equipment and do you have the top of the line? 181 00:08:10,223 --> 00:08:11,257 Everything. 182 00:08:11,257 --> 00:08:14,093 But do you have what you need to do your job right? 183 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:14,927 That's good. 184 00:08:14,927 --> 00:08:17,430 Everyone should answer yes to both of these questions. 185 00:08:17,430 --> 00:08:19,432 Do I know what's expected of me? Yes. 186 00:08:19,732 --> 00:08:22,768 Do I have the materials and equipment to do the work right? Yes. 187 00:08:22,869 --> 00:08:23,436 So, Chris, 188 00:08:23,436 --> 00:08:27,106 have you ever been in a situation where you didn't have one of these things? 189 00:08:27,206 --> 00:08:27,640 Yeah. 190 00:08:27,874 --> 00:08:30,510 And I've been in a situation where you don't have either 191 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:31,878 and there's no way to succeed. 192 00:08:31,878 --> 00:08:33,913 So you can't survive. It. No. 193 00:08:33,913 --> 00:08:35,214 And that's a good way to look at it. 194 00:08:35,214 --> 00:08:38,017 You can't survive base camp if you don't have what you need. 195 00:08:38,017 --> 00:08:40,052 And these are the two things you need for base camp. 196 00:08:40,086 --> 00:08:42,121 That's good. That's good. And I think 197 00:08:43,122 --> 00:08:46,926 foundational leadership starts in the beginning 198 00:08:46,926 --> 00:08:50,863 of knowing the direction of the group and where you want to lead them. 199 00:08:50,897 --> 00:08:52,265 Absolutely. 200 00:08:52,265 --> 00:08:54,467 So now let's branch out to Camp one. 201 00:08:54,467 --> 00:08:56,435 If you're not familiar with climbing Everest, 202 00:08:56,435 --> 00:09:00,239 there's a camp one a camp two and a camp three, and you inch up 203 00:09:00,239 --> 00:09:04,443 and you have to stay there in a while until you get acclimated to the altitude. 204 00:09:04,844 --> 00:09:05,444 And then after 205 00:09:05,444 --> 00:09:08,714 you're acclimated to the altitude, you can then progress to the next cancel. 206 00:09:08,714 --> 00:09:10,883 These have to build on each other. Gotcha. 207 00:09:11,083 --> 00:09:14,053 So just for the record, I'm a pretty large man. 208 00:09:14,053 --> 00:09:16,322 I don't climb Mount Everest ever. 209 00:09:17,056 --> 00:09:18,391 Well, ever. 210 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:21,027 So but I do know 211 00:09:21,527 --> 00:09:24,630 I think it's important that you understand your limitations 212 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:28,534 and how you get up there and what your goal in how you accomplish it. 213 00:09:28,601 --> 00:09:29,135 That's true. 214 00:09:29,135 --> 00:09:31,604 So many people die every year doing this. 215 00:09:31,604 --> 00:09:33,873 Many people and a lot. 216 00:09:33,906 --> 00:09:36,142 The sad truth is they can't bring you down. 217 00:09:36,142 --> 00:09:38,277 So when you die, your body just stays there. 218 00:09:38,611 --> 00:09:41,180 The mountaintop has corpses on it. Yeah. 219 00:09:41,314 --> 00:09:44,584 The the book that I read, I mean, that's pretty much what it talked about. 220 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:47,320 How and then there were people that were left there. 221 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:47,820 Yeah. 222 00:09:47,820 --> 00:09:49,322 And that's that's crazy to me. 223 00:09:49,322 --> 00:09:51,524 I can't even fathom that way. 224 00:09:51,557 --> 00:09:53,793 Did you pass any corpses when you were doing spelunking? 225 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,295 I did not, but I almost became one. 226 00:09:56,295 --> 00:09:58,831 Well, we're glad that you made it out of there. 227 00:09:58,831 --> 00:10:00,866 Okay, let's move on to camp one. 228 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,503 Camp on is what do I give is another way to freeze this. 229 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:05,871 And the first question 230 00:10:05,871 --> 00:10:09,609 you want to ask yourself, and then everyone, your team is at work. 231 00:10:09,675 --> 00:10:13,746 Do I have the opportunity to do what I do best every day? 232 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:15,014 Hey, man, 233 00:10:16,248 --> 00:10:18,784 So what's that look like? 234 00:10:18,784 --> 00:10:19,485 I need to ask. 235 00:10:19,485 --> 00:10:21,420 And sometimes that question is no. 236 00:10:21,420 --> 00:10:24,357 If I have someone on my team that doesn't have the opportunity 237 00:10:24,357 --> 00:10:27,560 to do what they do best every day, that I need to rethink what I'm doing. 238 00:10:27,793 --> 00:10:30,663 If this person is really good at something that I need to give them a challenge 239 00:10:30,663 --> 00:10:33,499 in that area, something that they can do that's good. 240 00:10:33,866 --> 00:10:35,401 That's really good. 241 00:10:36,168 --> 00:10:38,337 So in my job right now, 242 00:10:38,371 --> 00:10:42,541 we are in the process of training another employee. 243 00:10:42,842 --> 00:10:47,246 Well, good opportunity to join the team and traditionally 244 00:10:47,413 --> 00:10:50,783 all the training has been done 245 00:10:50,883 --> 00:10:52,351 by the leader of the department. 246 00:10:52,351 --> 00:10:55,821 So that would be me in this case. 247 00:10:56,055 --> 00:10:59,358 But one of my employees is very good at it. 248 00:10:59,759 --> 00:11:02,695 Wonderful. That's fantastic. So I 249 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:04,563 have him doing 250 00:11:04,563 --> 00:11:08,401 a lot of training because it's a skillset that he has 251 00:11:08,401 --> 00:11:11,537 and I want him to develop it and it gives him 252 00:11:13,372 --> 00:11:16,642 a different take on our department. 253 00:11:17,043 --> 00:11:17,643 Oh, sure. 254 00:11:17,643 --> 00:11:18,944 And you're doing a great job 255 00:11:18,944 --> 00:11:21,781 by giving him that opportunity to do what he does best. 256 00:11:23,115 --> 00:11:24,750 That's fantastic. 257 00:11:24,750 --> 00:11:28,421 The second part of Camp One, and this is an important one, well, 258 00:11:28,421 --> 00:11:31,157 they're all important, but this one really strikes at my heart. 259 00:11:31,624 --> 00:11:33,659 It's in the last seven days. 260 00:11:33,659 --> 00:11:37,463 If I receive recognition or praise for doing good work, 261 00:11:38,397 --> 00:11:42,368 has someone told you you've done a good job in the last seven days? 262 00:11:42,368 --> 00:11:45,438 And if they haven't, then you're not functioning at your best ability? 263 00:11:45,604 --> 00:11:50,042 Wow. That's a that's a interesting way to measure. 264 00:11:50,042 --> 00:11:53,546 I think that's a good measuring stick to ask yourself 265 00:11:53,913 --> 00:11:57,416 you know, am I accomplishing in the end, if I am, people will see it. 266 00:11:57,416 --> 00:11:59,118 Right. Well, let me ask both you guys. 267 00:11:59,118 --> 00:12:02,154 In the last seven days at work, is anyone told you you're doing a good job 268 00:12:03,756 --> 00:12:06,392 Yes. I have. 269 00:12:06,392 --> 00:12:09,628 I got lucky with my sermon yesterday, so get lucky. 270 00:12:09,628 --> 00:12:11,630 That was a wonderful sermon. 271 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:14,133 So but I think it's important. 272 00:12:14,166 --> 00:12:16,035 I don't think we understand what that looks like. 273 00:12:16,035 --> 00:12:18,838 I think we should work on that. Yes. 274 00:12:18,838 --> 00:12:20,806 That's not why you do it. 275 00:12:20,806 --> 00:12:24,443 But you also have to understand when someone says out of joy, 276 00:12:24,443 --> 00:12:28,247 that means you're actually accomplishing the purpose that you set out to do. 277 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,316 That's it. And that means everything. How about you? 278 00:12:30,316 --> 00:12:32,351 When have you heard that? In the last seven days. 279 00:12:32,351 --> 00:12:32,685 Yeah. 280 00:12:32,685 --> 00:12:36,422 There's a there's a couple of people that I really respect at work, and 281 00:12:37,456 --> 00:12:38,491 they're always very. 282 00:12:38,491 --> 00:12:41,360 Encouraging and is so important. 283 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,499 So step three of Camp one is ask yourself and then your team does 284 00:12:46,499 --> 00:12:51,003 my supervisor or someone at work seem to care about me as a person? 285 00:12:51,303 --> 00:12:55,207 Not for what you can give to work, but just as a person or about your well-being. 286 00:12:56,709 --> 00:12:58,511 For example. 287 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:02,581 A good example would be I hope you could go around everyone 288 00:13:02,581 --> 00:13:07,620 that works with me UK and say, Does Chris seem to care about you as a person? 289 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:10,956 And I would hope they would say yes because I genuinely do. 290 00:13:10,956 --> 00:13:13,826 I have a deep care and affection for everyone there. 291 00:13:13,859 --> 00:13:18,330 I think you're gifted in that way because I know you encourage me 292 00:13:19,064 --> 00:13:21,534 by the way, that you and you find things 293 00:13:21,834 --> 00:13:25,571 that I didn't even think about that you like within me. 294 00:13:25,571 --> 00:13:27,306 And I'm glad you did. 295 00:13:27,306 --> 00:13:28,207 Most people don't. 296 00:13:28,207 --> 00:13:30,376 So that's kind of not true. 297 00:13:32,912 --> 00:13:35,114 Yeah, but it's I think it's important 298 00:13:35,114 --> 00:13:39,318 that we so in the Bible, there's a character called Barnabas. 299 00:13:39,351 --> 00:13:40,052 I love it. 300 00:13:40,052 --> 00:13:45,391 He's the son of encouragement and his his goal is he encourages people. 301 00:13:45,391 --> 00:13:46,959 He lifts people up. 302 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:51,497 What if we became that kind of lifestyle and took on that lifestyle? 303 00:13:51,497 --> 00:13:56,669 Barnabas and said, you know, my goal today is to encourage people to build. 304 00:13:57,002 --> 00:13:59,004 How would that look like for you, Chris? 305 00:13:59,004 --> 00:14:01,407 Well, you know, I've always said that the world 306 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:04,710 does so much to bring us all down, and it's going to do that. 307 00:14:04,743 --> 00:14:06,745 We don't need to bring anyone else down. 308 00:14:06,745 --> 00:14:08,113 The world is going to do that. 309 00:14:08,113 --> 00:14:12,084 We need to lift each other up and really exalt each other to Christ. 310 00:14:12,084 --> 00:14:15,254 And we could if we all did that, this would be so much better 311 00:14:15,254 --> 00:14:18,090 if everyone built everyone up instead of tearing it down. 312 00:14:18,090 --> 00:14:19,825 There's no limit to what we could do. 313 00:14:19,825 --> 00:14:20,960 And let me say this. 314 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,630 These these two guys that I'm with, we do live together for the most part. 315 00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:28,400 We see each other at least once, if not twice, sometimes three times a week. 316 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,370 And yes, the one thing that I know with with Wayne 317 00:14:31,637 --> 00:14:36,075 he's probably the most Barnabas type person I know because he is. 318 00:14:36,075 --> 00:14:37,977 Yes, he. Is. That's why I asked you that. 319 00:14:37,977 --> 00:14:39,979 I know you don't want to hear that, but you really are. 320 00:14:40,246 --> 00:14:41,413 You always ask me. 321 00:14:41,413 --> 00:14:43,482 I'm doing you always check on me. Yes. 322 00:14:43,482 --> 00:14:44,750 And then you always do that. 323 00:14:44,750 --> 00:14:48,020 One thing that I don't like because you're like, are you sure you're okay? 324 00:14:48,020 --> 00:14:49,121 Really, you know, 325 00:14:50,322 --> 00:14:52,791 why am I not acting like, you know, it's. 326 00:14:53,492 --> 00:14:56,095 You know, paranoid sometimes going anyway. 327 00:14:56,528 --> 00:14:58,831 So I think you're really gifted in that area. 328 00:14:58,831 --> 00:15:01,200 I know you don't why they call you out like that, but 329 00:15:02,401 --> 00:15:06,672 how do you find ways to do that is the question I would ask you. 330 00:15:06,672 --> 00:15:07,206 I mean. 331 00:15:08,540 --> 00:15:11,410 I just have to make it a priority. 332 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:13,512 I thought you guys I had to make it up. 333 00:15:13,512 --> 00:15:16,115 I thought, oh, that's all right. 334 00:15:16,115 --> 00:15:16,682 Now I've got it. 335 00:15:16,682 --> 00:15:18,150 So I've got to make it a priority 336 00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:20,853 because I don't think that's good for the most part. 337 00:15:22,254 --> 00:15:26,091 Generally speaking, people tend to lean negatively. Yes. 338 00:15:26,492 --> 00:15:30,496 To not necessarily on a personal level to other people. 339 00:15:31,096 --> 00:15:33,299 But, you know, life is tough. 340 00:15:33,299 --> 00:15:34,400 Work is tough. 341 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,302 Family is tough. It is. 342 00:15:36,302 --> 00:15:39,638 And if you don't intend you know, we 343 00:15:40,906 --> 00:15:44,443 try to be encouraging, then you're not going to be. 344 00:15:44,443 --> 00:15:45,477 That's a good word. 345 00:15:45,477 --> 00:15:48,614 And I think that's what we're really called to do as leaders. 346 00:15:48,881 --> 00:15:51,083 It has to be intentional. 347 00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:51,750 That's a good word. 348 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:54,720 And that and I think I know in my leadership, 349 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,990 if I know going into it, I need to do certain things 350 00:15:58,357 --> 00:16:02,661 and have that intentional effort going towards that. 351 00:16:02,895 --> 00:16:03,996 I think it's a blessing. 352 00:16:03,996 --> 00:16:06,932 And I think it's like anything with God's word. 353 00:16:06,932 --> 00:16:11,303 You have to understand God's word has all kinds of intentions 354 00:16:11,303 --> 00:16:15,874 for us to build this up to to give us grace to to live this life. 355 00:16:16,141 --> 00:16:19,778 And we have to throw that back out into the world so we can show people 356 00:16:19,778 --> 00:16:22,381 so true. That's beautiful. What Jesus looks like. 357 00:16:22,381 --> 00:16:24,583 Because I'm just going to tell you this and I say it with love. 358 00:16:25,584 --> 00:16:26,552 If you know someone 359 00:16:26,552 --> 00:16:30,422 that doesn't know Jesus, that's kind of on you because you it's true. 360 00:16:30,422 --> 00:16:32,224 That's a hard fact, but true. 361 00:16:32,224 --> 00:16:34,860 It's your priority to show them who he is. 362 00:16:34,860 --> 00:16:36,428 And I think encouragement 363 00:16:36,428 --> 00:16:40,332 and loving on people and again, Wayne, I know, but you're good at that. 364 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:42,601 That's one of the things that I always found. 365 00:16:44,303 --> 00:16:47,373 I don't know what the word I'm looking for, but comforting from you 366 00:16:47,373 --> 00:16:51,210 because you're always building me up, even though maybe I sometimes 367 00:16:51,210 --> 00:16:53,212 don't even deserve it. So I appreciate that. 368 00:16:53,979 --> 00:16:55,280 He is fantastic for that. 369 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,084 And let me ask both of your leaders let me ask you ask both of you 370 00:16:59,084 --> 00:17:00,386 this question. 371 00:17:00,386 --> 00:17:03,022 If you realize you haven't complimented someone or told them 372 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:05,958 they've done a good job in a while and you feel it's overdue. 373 00:17:06,425 --> 00:17:10,262 Is there any person that you cannot find something to compliment about? 374 00:17:10,262 --> 00:17:13,298 I mean, everyone has something you can say good about them, right? 375 00:17:13,532 --> 00:17:13,866 Right. 376 00:17:13,866 --> 00:17:17,102 And, you know, we can laugh and say, oh, well, but 377 00:17:18,404 --> 00:17:18,937 the truth 378 00:17:18,937 --> 00:17:22,841 is, if you feel that way, you're probably not looking true. 379 00:17:22,841 --> 00:17:23,609 And that's it. 380 00:17:23,609 --> 00:17:24,743 And I know 381 00:17:24,777 --> 00:17:28,247 let's be honest, there are people that get on my last nerve, can't get a man. 382 00:17:28,814 --> 00:17:29,581 And to get better. 383 00:17:29,581 --> 00:17:30,282 There we go. 384 00:17:30,282 --> 00:17:35,054 And yeah, there are people who can be flat out nasty and ugly. Yes. 385 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:38,157 What I've discovered in my life is mostly 386 00:17:38,157 --> 00:17:40,926 the reason they have that is something's happened in our life. 387 00:17:41,260 --> 00:17:44,596 And the best thing you can do is find something good about them 388 00:17:44,797 --> 00:17:46,965 and let them know that you love them and you care about them, 389 00:17:46,965 --> 00:17:50,969 not because of the way they act, but because the way Jesus loves you. 390 00:17:51,236 --> 00:17:54,206 And if you do that, it's a life changing thing. 391 00:17:54,239 --> 00:17:55,140 It is. 392 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:55,941 It truly is. 393 00:17:55,941 --> 00:17:57,876 And that was that was a really good one. 394 00:17:57,876 --> 00:18:00,079 We're going to move on. This is part four. 395 00:18:00,446 --> 00:18:04,016 Is there someone at work who encourages my development? 396 00:18:04,383 --> 00:18:06,151 And that's what we're always developing. 397 00:18:06,151 --> 00:18:08,654 We're always growing, and that needs to be encouraged. 398 00:18:08,654 --> 00:18:12,157 So is there someone at work who encourages your development? 399 00:18:12,691 --> 00:18:18,397 So again, how how does that look how do I encourage someone in there? 400 00:18:18,397 --> 00:18:21,100 I guess it's in their growth rate. 401 00:18:21,133 --> 00:18:22,534 Is that kind of what we're saying? 402 00:18:22,534 --> 00:18:28,107 We encourage them to grow and as they grow and it's like, am I hearing that right? 403 00:18:28,107 --> 00:18:29,408 It is okay. 404 00:18:29,408 --> 00:18:32,578 When I first bring someone on board, I have a one on one with them. 405 00:18:32,578 --> 00:18:34,613 And I said, What are your career goals? 406 00:18:34,613 --> 00:18:38,417 And usually they'll tell me that they want to be the best in my department. 407 00:18:38,417 --> 00:18:41,153 I say, No, you're career. You may want to work somewhere else. 408 00:18:41,153 --> 00:18:42,688 You may want to work in a different field. 409 00:18:42,688 --> 00:18:44,289 You may want to like be work in it. 410 00:18:44,289 --> 00:18:46,992 You may want to be a journalist or a project manager. 411 00:18:47,493 --> 00:18:50,729 And how do I as a manager get you there? 412 00:18:50,929 --> 00:18:52,564 How do I encourage your growth? 413 00:18:52,564 --> 00:18:55,667 And I've had someone on my team that wanted to be a project manager, 414 00:18:55,934 --> 00:18:58,036 and I worked it out with the project managing department 415 00:18:58,036 --> 00:19:01,740 to let them start to manage smaller projects and then become 416 00:19:02,174 --> 00:19:05,244 essentially a dotted line direct to the project management department. 417 00:19:05,244 --> 00:19:05,811 And eventually 418 00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:08,981 they got to move into that department where they wanted to be their whole life. 419 00:19:09,214 --> 00:19:13,051 Yeah, that's incredible when you encourage someone how to get there. 420 00:19:13,051 --> 00:19:16,455 I like the way you said that, how they how to accomplish their goals. 421 00:19:16,455 --> 00:19:16,788 Yeah. 422 00:19:17,890 --> 00:19:19,925 The problem is we're not relational. 423 00:19:19,925 --> 00:19:23,795 We're not built that way a lot of times, and we're not built to find out 424 00:19:23,795 --> 00:19:27,065 what's going on with somebody else because we're worried about our own self. 425 00:19:27,099 --> 00:19:30,335 Yeah, and that's one of the thing I think, that kills the church, 426 00:19:30,335 --> 00:19:31,470 if I'm honest with you. 427 00:19:31,470 --> 00:19:34,006 I think we're selfish people and we are. 428 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:37,309 We have a great word and a god who gives grace. 429 00:19:37,442 --> 00:19:40,579 Hey, man, if we don't, thank you. 430 00:19:40,679 --> 00:19:41,613 Thank you very much. 431 00:19:41,613 --> 00:19:43,782 If we don't, if we don't put that out there 432 00:19:43,782 --> 00:19:46,485 in this world that we've missed the whole boat we have. 433 00:19:46,852 --> 00:19:50,122 And you know, when I did that, another man, another director 434 00:19:50,122 --> 00:19:53,358 came up to me and said, you just lost a great person. 435 00:19:53,358 --> 00:19:55,627 And it's your own fault. And I said, well, they were going to go anyway. 436 00:19:55,627 --> 00:19:56,295 They weren't. 437 00:19:56,395 --> 00:19:58,897 This was their dream job. This is where they want to be. 438 00:19:58,897 --> 00:20:00,666 And at least they're happy now. 439 00:20:00,666 --> 00:20:04,169 And they were able to get there through 440 00:20:04,703 --> 00:20:07,172 helping you out doing a great work. Yes. 441 00:20:07,472 --> 00:20:10,442 So what you had was a great worker the time you had him there. 442 00:20:10,642 --> 00:20:12,778 And that's the that's the goal anyway, right. 443 00:20:12,811 --> 00:20:16,348 Is there's a very famous quote, and I can't tell you who said this, 444 00:20:16,682 --> 00:20:18,483 but it's in management. 445 00:20:18,483 --> 00:20:20,385 It's there's two thoughts. 446 00:20:20,385 --> 00:20:24,122 What if we train all the people and then they leave for other jobs? 447 00:20:24,122 --> 00:20:27,593 And the alternative is, what if we don't train them and they stay? 448 00:20:28,093 --> 00:20:29,461 Yeah. They won't be happy. 449 00:20:29,461 --> 00:20:31,830 No, they're not happy. I think that's good stuff. 450 00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:34,099 I think that's really good stuff. When you're good. 451 00:20:34,533 --> 00:20:36,401 So, okay, we finished camp one. 452 00:20:36,401 --> 00:20:40,005 We're moving on to camp to camp to switches gears from what 453 00:20:40,038 --> 00:20:42,975 can I give to do I belong here? 454 00:20:43,442 --> 00:20:46,878 So the very first question and let me run through this again, 455 00:20:47,613 --> 00:20:51,583 if you get a no anywhere like base camp, we had 22 questions. 456 00:20:51,583 --> 00:20:53,452 Do I know what's expected of me at work 457 00:20:53,452 --> 00:20:56,421 and do I have the materials and equipment I need to do my work right? 458 00:20:56,788 --> 00:20:59,191 If someone says no to either one of those, you stop. 459 00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:01,126 You work on that one 460 00:21:01,126 --> 00:21:04,663 and then you move on like in my group meetings, we will go around the table. 461 00:21:04,997 --> 00:21:07,199 Everyone, do I know what's expected of me at work? 462 00:21:07,199 --> 00:21:08,700 And someone may say no. 463 00:21:08,700 --> 00:21:10,636 Okay, they're stuck at that base camp. 464 00:21:10,636 --> 00:21:12,571 I don't want to say stuck, but they're at that base camp 465 00:21:12,571 --> 00:21:14,740 and it's my job to get them ready to move on. 466 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,243 So we finished base camp and we moved on to Camp one. 467 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:19,911 Now we're going to Camp two. 468 00:21:19,911 --> 00:21:24,316 And the first question is at work do my opinions seem to count? 469 00:21:25,050 --> 00:21:26,218 That's good. 470 00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:29,888 And so there are many times we feel like they don't. 471 00:21:29,888 --> 00:21:31,957 And what happens when we feel like they don't? 472 00:21:32,491 --> 00:21:34,059 You don't offer opinions. 473 00:21:34,059 --> 00:21:37,562 If there's no reason to no use or no one's taking you seriously, 474 00:21:37,562 --> 00:21:39,364 you're not going to offer up any suggestions. 475 00:21:39,364 --> 00:21:40,799 You have to. Eventually set up. 476 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:42,868 What you do yeah. And that's a problem. 477 00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:45,470 So have you ever been in a situation like that? 478 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:47,005 Is the way you guys where. 479 00:21:47,005 --> 00:21:47,306 Yeah. 480 00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:50,709 Where you felt discouraged and the best thing that you felt like 481 00:21:50,709 --> 00:21:52,377 doing was just shutting up overhead. 482 00:21:52,377 --> 00:21:54,379 Those I've had those moments and what happens, 483 00:21:54,379 --> 00:21:57,316 I just keep my head down and just do my job and that's it. 484 00:21:57,316 --> 00:21:59,284 I don't, don't try to do any more than that. 485 00:21:59,284 --> 00:22:02,054 But you're not being the best you that you have. 486 00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:02,688 No. Right. 487 00:22:02,688 --> 00:22:04,623 And that's not the best team that we can have. 488 00:22:04,623 --> 00:22:07,092 And there's just it's missing out in so many areas. 489 00:22:07,392 --> 00:22:11,029 Well, part of this discussion has taken me back to the book I'm reading 490 00:22:11,697 --> 00:22:13,131 called The Bait of Satan. 491 00:22:13,131 --> 00:22:14,700 Oh, my. It's I'm like a human. 492 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:16,902 And as a Christian 493 00:22:17,569 --> 00:22:22,174 is the premise of his book is that we if we follow 494 00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:27,112 Jesus, we give up our right to be offended and to react. 495 00:22:27,112 --> 00:22:28,080 That's interesting. 496 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,482 And to react in any kind of negative way 497 00:22:31,683 --> 00:22:33,785 in these kinds of situations. 498 00:22:33,785 --> 00:22:36,121 Say that again. We give up our right. 499 00:22:36,121 --> 00:22:37,122 To be offended. 500 00:22:37,122 --> 00:22:38,223 That's really good. 501 00:22:38,223 --> 00:22:40,258 Strong and really strong. 502 00:22:40,392 --> 00:22:46,164 So in this context, when your opinion doesn't get any airplay, 503 00:22:47,099 --> 00:22:49,134 then you have a choice 504 00:22:50,402 --> 00:22:52,170 you can get. 505 00:22:52,204 --> 00:22:55,374 You end up not 506 00:22:55,607 --> 00:22:59,211 giving your opinion anymore and then you get really angry about it. Yes. 507 00:23:00,011 --> 00:23:02,314 And then you don't do is get alert 508 00:23:02,314 --> 00:23:07,018 because you're angry or you do your work twice as well because you're angry. 509 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,420 Yeah. And what you're saying 510 00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:10,589 is a beautiful thing because the word can offend me. 511 00:23:11,056 --> 00:23:11,456 And it. 512 00:23:11,456 --> 00:23:15,293 Can the Bible can make me it calls me on the carpet a lot. 513 00:23:15,694 --> 00:23:18,630 And if I don't let it do that, then I've missed the whole point 514 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:21,199 of what God wants me to be and who He wants me to be. 515 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:21,566 Yeah. 516 00:23:21,566 --> 00:23:24,169 So that strong way, and that's really strong. 517 00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:26,772 Good stuff. I need to look at that book, too. 518 00:23:26,772 --> 00:23:27,939 Yeah. Who writes that? 519 00:23:27,939 --> 00:23:29,775 I think I've I think I've seen that. 520 00:23:30,876 --> 00:23:32,511 Mike. Oh. 521 00:23:32,511 --> 00:23:34,079 See, we'll get it in a second. 522 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,181 My bad. Keep going. 523 00:23:36,214 --> 00:23:38,850 So we're at Camp two 524 00:23:38,850 --> 00:23:42,821 and we're moving on from do my opinion seem to count in the next question 525 00:23:42,821 --> 00:23:46,124 you want to ask yourself and the people on your team is 526 00:23:46,124 --> 00:23:51,196 does the mission or purpose of my company make me feel like my job is important? 527 00:23:51,363 --> 00:23:53,765 I guess, are you serving a higher good? 528 00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:56,635 Is your job more important than and 529 00:23:57,702 --> 00:23:59,104 I guess just the group? 530 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:02,307 Is it a bigger or higher good that you're trying to serve? 531 00:24:02,307 --> 00:24:03,542 And let me give an example of that. 532 00:24:03,542 --> 00:24:06,378 I used to do I work in manufacturing 533 00:24:06,878 --> 00:24:10,248 and there's a lot of money in that, especially in automotive manufacturing 534 00:24:10,248 --> 00:24:12,717 where I work. And I could save my company lots of money. 535 00:24:12,717 --> 00:24:15,987 And that was really cool until I got involved in health care 536 00:24:16,321 --> 00:24:19,090 and I could see the results of my policies 537 00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:22,461 and procedures that I implemented directly affect patient health. 538 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:25,263 And that for me really matters. 539 00:24:25,263 --> 00:24:28,066 That's that's a big deal for me. So that's what motivates me. 540 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:30,502 And I think, you know, one of 541 00:24:30,502 --> 00:24:35,640 our goals on, on lead 12, 12 is to encourage leaders in church. 542 00:24:36,274 --> 00:24:40,712 And if you don't find a place where you're motivated, you've missed it 543 00:24:40,712 --> 00:24:44,449 because I'm just going to tell you God is where you want to be. 544 00:24:44,449 --> 00:24:49,454 And if you're being motivated by who He is and how Jesus loves me, 545 00:24:49,454 --> 00:24:50,822 then you're on the right track. 546 00:24:50,822 --> 00:24:54,192 If you're not motivated by that, there's something wrong weighing. 547 00:24:54,192 --> 00:24:56,161 Do you feel that your job is important? 548 00:24:56,161 --> 00:24:57,329 Sure. Yeah. 549 00:24:57,329 --> 00:25:01,900 I mean, specifically, my job is responsible 550 00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:08,507 for the monitoring and operation of 150 miles of high pressure, but that's. 551 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:10,742 Very. Important. People's actual lives 552 00:25:11,943 --> 00:25:14,613 are dependent upon how good my guys are. 553 00:25:14,713 --> 00:25:15,447 Yeah. 554 00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:16,982 That's pretty important. 555 00:25:16,982 --> 00:25:18,884 That's a big one. Wow. 556 00:25:18,884 --> 00:25:20,685 So I don't think I knew that. 557 00:25:20,685 --> 00:25:22,954 Yeah, that's a big deal. Yeah, it. Is. 558 00:25:22,954 --> 00:25:23,822 Here's the next one. 559 00:25:23,822 --> 00:25:26,992 And this one is an interesting question because you ask yourself 560 00:25:26,992 --> 00:25:30,529 and then you ask your coworkers, but the question is not about them directly. 561 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,430 It's about the rest of the team. 562 00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:36,601 And the question is, are my coworkers committed to doing quality work? 563 00:25:37,736 --> 00:25:39,571 And you understand what I mean by quality work. 564 00:25:39,571 --> 00:25:41,373 It doesn't mean does your coworkers 565 00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,476 is every one of your coworkers an absolute rock star who does it 566 00:25:44,843 --> 00:25:47,913 the best job in the world every time because no one has that team? 567 00:25:48,346 --> 00:25:51,716 This question is, are they committed to doing quality work 568 00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:53,718 and the best that they can of their ability? 569 00:25:54,052 --> 00:25:54,452 Right. 570 00:25:54,452 --> 00:25:56,788 And I think some of that you had to realize 571 00:25:56,788 --> 00:26:00,525 is it's on you if they're not because you're not building them up. 572 00:26:00,525 --> 00:26:01,760 And again, 573 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,163 you know, I keep quoting Barnabas, but you got to encourage you got to 574 00:26:05,363 --> 00:26:08,366 you got to love on people and you got to get them in the right place 575 00:26:08,366 --> 00:26:10,402 and let them know that you're proud of them. 576 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:13,638 And, you know, I think those are the most things 577 00:26:13,638 --> 00:26:17,142 that that motivate me when someone says, Dave, you're doing a great job. 578 00:26:17,142 --> 00:26:17,409 Yeah. 579 00:26:17,409 --> 00:26:21,413 You know, thank you for doing this and thank you for for trying does. Yes. 580 00:26:21,846 --> 00:26:24,149 It builds you up and it makes me want to do better. 581 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:28,153 Thank hey we go there teaches. 582 00:26:28,353 --> 00:26:29,287 And one of the things 583 00:26:29,287 --> 00:26:32,691 that we always talk about in my department is I don't expect perfection. 584 00:26:32,691 --> 00:26:35,026 Yes, I expect effort. That's it. 585 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,528 That's an improvement. 586 00:26:37,829 --> 00:26:38,063 That's 587 00:26:38,063 --> 00:26:41,733 and if I can offer assistance in some way or get 588 00:26:41,733 --> 00:26:45,670 you connected with someone who can, then let's do it that way. 589 00:26:45,670 --> 00:26:48,573 That's it. Show me you're trying. That's what I want to see. Exactly. 590 00:26:48,573 --> 00:26:53,311 And when you let live a life for God, that's the only way you can get up. 591 00:26:53,311 --> 00:26:55,246 You have to do better than you did yesterday. 592 00:26:55,246 --> 00:26:58,350 If you don't have that motivation, 593 00:26:58,350 --> 00:27:01,052 I don't know how to get you motivated because 594 00:27:01,052 --> 00:27:03,421 that's what the Bible tells us to do every day. 595 00:27:03,421 --> 00:27:07,158 Be better than I what love better than I did yesterday. 596 00:27:08,026 --> 00:27:10,528 Treat people better than I did yesterday. 597 00:27:10,528 --> 00:27:12,664 It's I think that's some that's essential. 598 00:27:12,664 --> 00:27:14,165 Absolutely right. 599 00:27:14,165 --> 00:27:17,002 So the last question from camp, too, 600 00:27:17,636 --> 00:27:20,038 is it seems like a simple one, but it's so important. 601 00:27:20,038 --> 00:27:23,041 Do I have a best friend at work, Wayne? 602 00:27:23,041 --> 00:27:25,076 Do you have a best friend at work? 603 00:27:25,076 --> 00:27:26,845 You probably have a lot of best friends at work. 604 00:27:26,845 --> 00:27:28,947 You make me sound like my kids. 605 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:31,683 Everybody's their best friend. Yes. 606 00:27:35,787 --> 00:27:38,723 I have some people that 607 00:27:38,723 --> 00:27:41,059 I can say are 608 00:27:41,226 --> 00:27:42,260 our best friends. 609 00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:46,131 They're a lot of the people that I work with have worked there 610 00:27:46,131 --> 00:27:47,999 twice as long as I have. Okay. 611 00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:51,403 So I see them as friends, but also as mentors. 612 00:27:51,569 --> 00:27:54,172 That's an important so important. 613 00:27:54,172 --> 00:27:55,240 What about you, Chris? 614 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,741 I've got a very lucky. 615 00:27:56,741 --> 00:27:59,678 I've got a couple of people that I consider good friends. 616 00:28:00,045 --> 00:28:03,815 And if my day is going terrible, I can block off time on their count, 617 00:28:03,815 --> 00:28:06,418 on their meeting for that day and say, Hey, I just need to vent, 618 00:28:06,418 --> 00:28:08,953 listen to what's going on and how it's affecting me. 619 00:28:08,953 --> 00:28:13,224 And they will give me unbiased very good advice 620 00:28:13,224 --> 00:28:17,162 about what I need to do sometimes, even if I don't ask for it. 621 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,364 But they're always there to listen to me. 622 00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:20,198 How about you, Dave? 623 00:28:20,198 --> 00:28:24,436 Well, I was going to tell to you guys besides me, and I know I'm your best 624 00:28:24,436 --> 00:28:29,307 friend, but just saying I'm joking, I, I think it's really it's important. 625 00:28:29,841 --> 00:28:33,578 So I'm a preacher if I say no to this one, I'm in trouble. 626 00:28:33,578 --> 00:28:35,246 You're going to make a lot of people mad. 627 00:28:36,181 --> 00:28:38,550 But one of the guys that I partner with 628 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,720 in ministry is a is a guy named Gerald IMS and 629 00:28:42,854 --> 00:28:44,456 he is one of my best friends. 630 00:28:44,456 --> 00:28:45,323 I trust him. 631 00:28:45,323 --> 00:28:48,560 He's he's he's incredibly treats people, right? 632 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,031 And he teaches me how to live this life that we call Christianity. 633 00:28:53,098 --> 00:28:54,332 Oh, that's wonderful. 634 00:28:54,332 --> 00:28:56,668 That's the guy that I want to go to war with. 635 00:28:56,668 --> 00:28:58,803 And I think that's where it comes back. 636 00:28:58,803 --> 00:29:02,640 Am I willing to do whatever it takes, make this happen? 637 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,143 And with a friend like Gerald, I think I can do it. 638 00:29:05,176 --> 00:29:07,645 That's beautiful. And that's so important. 639 00:29:07,645 --> 00:29:08,880 So important. 640 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,484 If you go to work and you don't know anyone or you don't have a best friend, 641 00:29:13,218 --> 00:29:14,652 you seem like an outcast. 642 00:29:14,652 --> 00:29:16,888 You do your stuff, you go home, you don't know anyone, 643 00:29:17,222 --> 00:29:18,423 you don't feel like you belong. 644 00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:21,092 A lot of the. Times. I get that totally. 645 00:29:21,893 --> 00:29:24,863 So now we've finished Camp two, we're going to Camp three, 646 00:29:24,863 --> 00:29:28,266 and this is the last camp before we reach the summit of Mount Everest. 647 00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,603 The first question is in the last six months, 648 00:29:31,903 --> 00:29:34,973 has someone at work talk to me about my progress? 649 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,008 That's a great question. 650 00:29:37,008 --> 00:29:40,645 It is because I'm always growing and I'm always wanting to achieve more. 651 00:29:40,645 --> 00:29:41,880 And I need someone 652 00:29:42,814 --> 00:29:43,081 with a 653 00:29:43,081 --> 00:29:45,350 different set of eyes who can tell me how to do that. 654 00:29:46,384 --> 00:29:47,685 Absolutely. 655 00:29:47,685 --> 00:29:51,856 So on the other side, of that, are you being that someone? 656 00:29:51,856 --> 00:29:52,624 That's someone else. 657 00:29:52,624 --> 00:29:53,191 That's it. 658 00:29:53,191 --> 00:29:54,425 You've got to pay it back. 659 00:29:54,425 --> 00:29:56,561 You absolutely have to be that person. 660 00:29:56,561 --> 00:29:59,430 When you've had a lot of progress since you've been where you work, you've 661 00:29:59,430 --> 00:30:01,566 had a tremendous amount of progress. 662 00:30:01,566 --> 00:30:04,235 Has anyone talked to you about that and guided you any of the way? 663 00:30:05,904 --> 00:30:07,572 I don't know that 664 00:30:07,772 --> 00:30:09,908 people intentionally did, but 665 00:30:09,908 --> 00:30:12,210 the way that they led 666 00:30:13,344 --> 00:30:18,183 made it made it obvious that it was a successful method. 667 00:30:18,183 --> 00:30:20,418 That's fantastic. 668 00:30:20,552 --> 00:30:24,189 Dave, you've as a preacher, you were always growing. 669 00:30:24,189 --> 00:30:27,859 I can't imagine that there's there's no top limit to being a preacher. 670 00:30:27,959 --> 00:30:30,562 Sometimes it's my stomach that's growing. Yes. 671 00:30:31,162 --> 00:30:33,331 We have the same features 672 00:30:35,233 --> 00:30:37,068 oh, no, sorry about that. 673 00:30:37,068 --> 00:30:38,102 I get that. 674 00:30:38,102 --> 00:30:40,572 I had to get that guy out every once in a while. 675 00:30:40,572 --> 00:30:43,208 So does anyone talk to you about your progress? 676 00:30:43,474 --> 00:30:45,777 Absolutely. And sometimes tell me. 677 00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:49,013 I have people that I trust tell me things that we need to get better at. 678 00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:52,083 And I, I do my best to not take it personal. 679 00:30:52,083 --> 00:30:56,821 And, you know, I go back to what Wayne said don't get offended if you can do. 680 00:30:56,821 --> 00:30:57,822 That's hard to do. 681 00:30:57,822 --> 00:31:01,359 It's really easy for us to say that behind this is my. But 682 00:31:02,594 --> 00:31:04,662 sometimes I get my feelings hurt, 683 00:31:04,662 --> 00:31:07,165 and I got to realize it's not about me. 684 00:31:07,498 --> 00:31:11,402 And so if it's not about me, I got to hear what they're saying and become better. 685 00:31:11,402 --> 00:31:12,770 And here's the deal. 686 00:31:12,770 --> 00:31:16,975 Ultimately, my mind judge is in heaven, and that's who I have to worry about 687 00:31:16,975 --> 00:31:18,176 pleasing. 688 00:31:18,176 --> 00:31:20,912 I have to do the best job I can here on Earth for him. 689 00:31:20,945 --> 00:31:22,647 He might do that. 690 00:31:22,647 --> 00:31:24,649 Hey, man, to that. I'm on the right track. 691 00:31:24,682 --> 00:31:25,917 You got that? 692 00:31:25,917 --> 00:31:27,819 Oh, I wondered how we're going to start. 693 00:31:27,819 --> 00:31:29,354 Oh, here we go. 694 00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:33,424 I have 695 00:31:33,424 --> 00:31:35,960 some church up in here that I love that one. 696 00:31:36,527 --> 00:31:39,898 All right, so camp three, this is the last question of Camp three. 697 00:31:39,898 --> 00:31:43,902 We're just about to, I guess, climb Mount Everest and build 698 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:47,839 the best team we possibly can in this question in the last year, 699 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,643 have I had an opportunity at work to learn and grow? 700 00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:55,580 And in the beginning, you'll have a lot of those, but later in your career, 701 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:58,783 those come along a little less frequently, and they can be hard to come by. 702 00:31:59,217 --> 00:32:01,486 So you've got to have an opportunity to learn and grow. 703 00:32:01,486 --> 00:32:04,789 Dave, in your last year, have you had an opportunity to learn and grow at work? 704 00:32:05,089 --> 00:32:05,823 Absolutely. 705 00:32:05,823 --> 00:32:10,295 And sometimes I catch him and I go right with him. 706 00:32:10,295 --> 00:32:12,964 And sometimes I honestly, I try to run from him. 707 00:32:12,964 --> 00:32:17,068 And so I've got to figure out what's what's the best 708 00:32:17,068 --> 00:32:20,638 for my ministry, for the way I'm treating people, for the way I'm loving people. 709 00:32:20,872 --> 00:32:23,408 And that's leadership for me. One on one. 710 00:32:23,675 --> 00:32:25,810 Absolutely right. Yes. 711 00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:28,980 Am I doing right by by those 712 00:32:29,213 --> 00:32:33,151 who I who I love that are in my church and I think in leadership, 713 00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:38,222 we have to understand that we have to work really extra hard to 714 00:32:39,223 --> 00:32:42,527 to be that person for someone that that they need 715 00:32:42,727 --> 00:32:47,131 and to show them that that they matter and what they're doing matters. 716 00:32:47,131 --> 00:32:48,299 I choose what I'm trying to say. 717 00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:50,868 And you're right. 100%. Wayne, how about you? 718 00:32:50,868 --> 00:32:54,105 If you had an opportunity in the last year at work to learn and grow. 719 00:32:54,672 --> 00:32:58,876 I don't know that it's is an opportunity as much as it was a necessity 720 00:32:59,711 --> 00:33:02,313 because my boss 721 00:33:02,313 --> 00:33:05,183 retired in November 722 00:33:05,183 --> 00:33:06,250 and 21. 723 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:10,989 So even though I've done this current job for a couple of years, 724 00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:13,691 everything is different. 725 00:33:13,691 --> 00:33:15,026 Yeah. Now so. 726 00:33:15,026 --> 00:33:19,597 So you are and I've been dragged into learning and growing kicking and screaming 727 00:33:19,597 --> 00:33:22,700 at times too and, and look back and it's always a good thing for me 728 00:33:24,035 --> 00:33:25,536 a man. And I think 729 00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:27,372 kicking and 730 00:33:27,372 --> 00:33:30,108 screaming is a good good way to describe it. 731 00:33:31,609 --> 00:33:34,512 There we go. More so now we're at the summit and 732 00:33:35,046 --> 00:33:39,150 remember if you can answer positively to all 12 of these questions, 733 00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:40,284 you have reached the summit. 734 00:33:40,284 --> 00:33:43,988 You're in the best environment you can be in with the best team you can be in. 735 00:33:44,322 --> 00:33:46,591 And when you do that, amazing things can happen. 736 00:33:47,291 --> 00:33:47,692 Yeah. 737 00:33:47,692 --> 00:33:50,595 And I think it's important that we tell everybody this listening. 738 00:33:51,662 --> 00:33:54,265 Not all of these things will apply and everything you do. 739 00:33:54,298 --> 00:33:56,067 True. That's okay. 740 00:33:56,067 --> 00:33:59,937 Some of these things, though, can help you and if you evaluate it 741 00:33:59,937 --> 00:34:03,374 and work with it in your heart, it can change the way you do things. Yes. 742 00:34:03,374 --> 00:34:07,979 I think our goal in Lead 1212 is not to tell you all the answers 743 00:34:08,212 --> 00:34:12,250 is to give you some of the equipment that you can work with in this schools 744 00:34:12,517 --> 00:34:16,154 so you can be a better person as you try to lead people. 745 00:34:16,154 --> 00:34:16,954 That's so true. 746 00:34:16,954 --> 00:34:18,056 That is so true. 747 00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:19,223 That's the thing. I think. 748 00:34:19,223 --> 00:34:23,227 I feel like ever since we've been doing this, I'm hoping that we help people 749 00:34:23,694 --> 00:34:26,431 to have those tools and to see different ways 750 00:34:26,431 --> 00:34:29,667 to work, work in their leadership and in their workplace. 751 00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:31,769 They're good and that's what it's all about. Exactly. 752 00:34:32,837 --> 00:34:34,572 What I really appreciate about 753 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:39,243 this podcast is the biblical basis that 754 00:34:40,278 --> 00:34:43,347 supports all these leadership 755 00:34:43,347 --> 00:34:45,483 thoughts, because 756 00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:49,587 we each have to ask ourselves Who is our true leader? 757 00:34:49,587 --> 00:34:50,354 That's it. 758 00:34:50,354 --> 00:34:52,590 Like, is it Jesus? That's what it's all about. 759 00:34:53,124 --> 00:34:54,292 Is it not? 760 00:34:54,292 --> 00:34:55,726 I mean, you don't 761 00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:58,262 you don't really have too many choices. 762 00:34:58,262 --> 00:35:01,265 It's either, hey, man, Jesus or it's not Jesus. 763 00:35:01,265 --> 00:35:02,834 That's it. Two choices. 764 00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:03,534 Hey, man. 765 00:35:03,534 --> 00:35:07,038 I was in church yesterday and I came as people were leaving. 766 00:35:07,038 --> 00:35:08,739 I ask them how they're doing and everything. 767 00:35:08,739 --> 00:35:12,977 And one of the little boys is he came in, he said something to me, 768 00:35:12,977 --> 00:35:17,148 and I didn't catch it because I just didn't understand what he was saying. 769 00:35:17,148 --> 00:35:19,050 And finally I looked at his mom 770 00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:22,954 and she she said, he's telling you God made us all alive. 771 00:35:22,987 --> 00:35:23,821 I love that. 772 00:35:23,821 --> 00:35:25,523 Oh, I love that. That's beautiful. 773 00:35:25,523 --> 00:35:26,858 And that encouraged me. 774 00:35:26,858 --> 00:35:29,660 And it reminded me, you know, Jesus tells us 775 00:35:30,061 --> 00:35:33,831 and mark 11 verse 20 to have faith in God. 776 00:35:33,865 --> 00:35:37,702 Hey, man, if you want to be a good leader, this is what everything 777 00:35:37,702 --> 00:35:43,040 we the ultimate foundation for leadership has to be God for me. 778 00:35:43,407 --> 00:35:45,276 And if it's not, then I. 779 00:35:45,276 --> 00:35:48,112 I won't be able to treat people the way I'm supposed to. 780 00:35:48,112 --> 00:35:50,715 I won't be able to lead people the way God's called me. 781 00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:54,585 I have faith in God and watch what happens. 782 00:35:54,585 --> 00:35:55,653 He man. 783 00:35:56,354 --> 00:35:57,255 Anything else? 784 00:35:57,255 --> 00:35:58,823 Wayne, you got anything for us? 785 00:35:58,823 --> 00:36:00,691 No, I'm good. All right. 786 00:36:00,691 --> 00:36:04,462 Hey, we're so glad that you took some time out of your day to listen to us. 787 00:36:05,096 --> 00:36:07,865 We're doing our best that there's something we can do better. 788 00:36:07,865 --> 00:36:10,902 If there's a topic that you would like to hear us talk about, 789 00:36:10,902 --> 00:36:14,972 let us know that doesn't mean we will, but we'll try to find. 790 00:36:15,473 --> 00:36:18,876 I'm not promising anything, but if there's something 791 00:36:18,876 --> 00:36:22,680 that we can pray for you, please allow us that blessings. 792 00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:25,616 All three of us want to pray for you and lift you up. 793 00:36:25,616 --> 00:36:27,818 And I promise, if you. 794 00:36:27,818 --> 00:36:30,388 If you send that to us, we'll do our best to pray for you. 795 00:36:30,821 --> 00:36:31,856 Have a great week. 796 00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:33,691 God bless. We'll talk to you soon. 797 00:36:37,395 --> 00:36:40,932 This is an LBC production which stands for LB. 798 00:36:40,932 --> 00:36:44,669 I'm if you knew that or not, but it also stands for laughing 799 00:36:44,669 --> 00:36:48,039 because we save the we kind of like the panel so I'm 800 00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:52,343 Chris will lift them and I will get them and we will have a great time. 801 00:36:52,343 --> 00:36:53,077 Thanks for listening.

We discuss Marcus Buckingham’s best-selling novel “First, Break All The Rules: What the World’s Greatest Managers Do” and pay special attention to the 12 simple statements that distinguish the strongest departments of a company from the rest.

These 12 statements are arranged as a process for (appropriately enough) climbing mountains and are:

Base Camp: “What do I get?” 

  1. Do I know what is expected of me at work? 
  2. Do I have the materials and equipment I need to do my work right? 

Camp 1: “What do I give?” 

  • At work, do I have the opportunity to do what I do best every day? 
  • In the last seven days, have I received recognition or praise for doing good work? 
  • Does my supervisor, or someone at work, seem to care about me as a person? 
  • Is there someone at work who encourages my development? 

Camp 2: “Do I belong here?” 

  • At work, do my opinions seem to count? 
  • Does the mission/purpose of my company make me feel my job is important? 
  • Are my co-workers committed to doing quality work? 
  • Do I have a best friend at work? 

Camp 3: “How can we all grow?” 

  1. In the last six months, has someone at work talked to me about my progress? 
  2. This last year, have I had opportunities at work to learn and grow? 

The Summit 

If you can answer positively to all of these twelve questions, then you have reached the summit. 

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