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Episode 23 – Ethical Leadership Continued

s ethical leadership a no-win situation? Is it possible to remain ethical in all aspects? We review theories from Heifetz, Burns, and Greenleaf and apply Biblical teaching and verses and through in a few moral dilemmas just for fun.

Mar 15, 2022 | 0 comments

Episode 23 – Ethical Leadership Continued

s ethical leadership a no-win situation? Is it possible to remain ethical in all aspects? We review theories from Heifetz, Burns, and Greenleaf and apply Biblical teaching and verses and through in a few moral dilemmas just for fun.

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1 00:00:33,911 --> 00:00:35,411 Dave: What's up, everybody. 2 00:00:35,441 --> 00:00:36,161 we're back. 3 00:00:36,971 --> 00:00:38,141 And We're glad to hear you. 4 00:00:38,141 --> 00:00:39,101 and We're glad to see ya. 5 00:00:39,131 --> 00:00:39,431 I say. 6 00:00:39,461 --> 00:00:40,091 we're glad to hear you. 7 00:00:40,091 --> 00:00:40,931 And I really don't hear you. 8 00:00:40,931 --> 00:00:43,001 So I don't know why I say that, but anyway. 9 00:00:43,123 --> 00:00:43,933 Thanks, Chris, you didn't. 10 00:00:44,113 --> 00:00:45,463 You could have encouraged me. 11 00:00:46,033 --> 00:00:46,543 Wayne: You're right, 12 00:00:46,543 --> 00:00:47,413 Dave: Dave, you're an idiot. 13 00:00:47,443 --> 00:00:47,803 Thank you, 14 00:00:48,103 --> 00:00:49,333 Chris: Just kept my mouth shut. 15 00:00:50,333 --> 00:00:51,023 Dave: Yes. 16 00:00:51,023 --> 00:00:51,983 I am. 17 00:00:52,163 --> 00:00:52,673 Are you guys. 18 00:00:52,913 --> 00:00:54,852 ready for the NCAA? 19 00:00:55,092 --> 00:00:55,272 Chris: I am. 20 00:00:55,272 --> 00:00:56,292 So looking forward to that. 21 00:00:56,292 --> 00:00:56,562 Dave: Who are you? 22 00:00:56,652 --> 00:00:57,882 Who you got one at all? 23 00:00:57,912 --> 00:00:58,302 Wayne. 24 00:00:59,772 --> 00:01:00,672 Wayne: I don't even know who's in it 25 00:01:00,912 --> 00:01:01,152 Dave: just. 26 00:01:01,152 --> 00:01:01,902 say Kentucky. 27 00:01:02,232 --> 00:01:04,272 Thank you of you who don't know us. 28 00:01:04,302 --> 00:01:04,422 we. 29 00:01:04,422 --> 00:01:04,752 live in 30 00:01:04,782 --> 00:01:05,262 Chris: Kentucky. 31 00:01:05,262 --> 00:01:05,352 Wayne: here. 32 00:01:05,352 --> 00:01:06,282 Dave: You got Chris. 33 00:01:06,582 --> 00:01:08,396 Chris: Kentucky not Tennessee, even though 34 00:01:08,396 --> 00:01:10,076 that's what my ballot may say. 35 00:01:10,106 --> 00:01:11,366 Dave: As, Ah, 36 00:01:11,396 --> 00:01:12,356 let us pray. 37 00:01:13,676 --> 00:01:14,846 You trader. 38 00:01:14,996 --> 00:01:15,986 Chris: Oh, I feel terrible. 39 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:16,616 Dave: know we have. 40 00:01:16,976 --> 00:01:19,376 It has nothing to do with anything, but I want a UK shirt. 41 00:01:19,376 --> 00:01:20,516 So I go big blue. 42 00:01:20,606 --> 00:01:21,356 Chris: Yeah, absolutely. 43 00:01:21,956 --> 00:01:22,586 Dave: All right. 44 00:01:22,586 --> 00:01:24,446 So Psalm 25:21 says 45 00:01:24,446 --> 00:01:29,246 may integrity And uprightness preserve me for, I wait for you, Oh Lord. 46 00:01:29,306 --> 00:01:30,632 So that's the goal. 47 00:01:30,662 --> 00:01:32,552 today that we are. 48 00:01:32,822 --> 00:01:34,502 Being our best for God. 49 00:01:34,502 --> 00:01:34,592 I don't 50 00:01:34,592 --> 00:01:34,742 Chris: We're going 51 00:01:34,742 --> 00:01:34,772 Dave: to 52 00:01:34,772 --> 00:01:35,342 Chris: to talk about. 53 00:01:36,302 --> 00:01:37,172 Thank you, man. 54 00:01:37,262 --> 00:01:37,802 Dave: Alright. 55 00:01:37,832 --> 00:01:39,182 Chris, what do you got for us? 56 00:01:39,212 --> 00:01:39,902 Let's go. 57 00:01:39,932 --> 00:01:41,612 Chris: Today, We're going to finish the leadership 58 00:01:41,672 --> 00:01:42,122 ethics. 59 00:01:42,122 --> 00:01:42,272 We 60 00:01:42,272 --> 00:01:43,562 had a really good discussion. 61 00:01:43,562 --> 00:01:45,632 where we discussed Kohlberg and his stages. 62 00:01:45,722 --> 00:01:47,942 of ethical and morality. 63 00:01:48,422 --> 00:01:50,222 So we're going to finish that today. 64 00:01:50,732 --> 00:01:51,332 With. 65 00:01:52,052 --> 00:01:53,822 Three of the most popular. 66 00:01:54,932 --> 00:01:56,102 Leadership theories. 67 00:01:56,102 --> 00:01:59,102 Those are adaptive leadership, transformational leadership, 68 00:01:59,192 --> 00:02:00,902 and servant leadership. 69 00:02:00,932 --> 00:02:02,882 and how leadership ethics applies to them. 70 00:02:03,122 --> 00:02:03,752 Dave: Sounds good. 71 00:02:03,752 --> 00:02:07,322 That, that, that stone cold Goldberg man, he does. 72 00:02:07,982 --> 00:02:09,032 That's amazing. 73 00:02:09,032 --> 00:02:10,892 That guy does so many things. 74 00:02:12,332 --> 00:02:12,362 Chris: I 75 00:02:12,632 --> 00:02:13,472 Dave: I'm joking. 76 00:02:13,532 --> 00:02:13,652 You 77 00:02:13,652 --> 00:02:15,332 don't have to tell us I was wrong. 78 00:02:15,392 --> 00:02:16,292 I get it. 79 00:02:16,352 --> 00:02:18,212 We're just trying to be a little like. 80 00:02:18,992 --> 00:02:19,892 Lighten up. 81 00:02:20,612 --> 00:02:21,182 Alright. 82 00:02:21,212 --> 00:02:21,452 Chris: it. 83 00:02:21,812 --> 00:02:22,772 Dave: That's a good laugh. 84 00:02:22,772 --> 00:02:23,072 in one. 85 00:02:23,072 --> 00:02:23,642 I haven't heard that 86 00:02:23,672 --> 00:02:23,972 Chris: one yet. 87 00:02:24,031 --> 00:02:26,403 We haven't done much funny, so we gotta work on that. 88 00:02:26,903 --> 00:02:28,763 Dave: Now I feel guilty about that. 89 00:02:29,483 --> 00:02:30,023 Currently. 90 00:02:30,353 --> 00:02:31,853 And then funny, y'all go. 91 00:02:31,973 --> 00:02:32,903 Chris: You're always funny. 92 00:02:33,383 --> 00:02:33,743 Okay. 93 00:02:33,833 --> 00:02:34,073 Tell 94 00:02:34,073 --> 00:02:35,693 me if this sounds correct 95 00:02:35,693 --> 00:02:36,203 or not. 96 00:02:36,533 --> 00:02:37,253 It seems like 97 00:02:37,253 --> 00:02:39,323 we live in a world where one, after 98 00:02:39,323 --> 00:02:42,893 another high-profile scandals in business and government. 99 00:02:42,893 --> 00:02:43,493 happened. 100 00:02:43,883 --> 00:02:44,723 True or false. 101 00:02:45,143 --> 00:02:45,653 Dave: True. 102 00:02:45,713 --> 00:02:46,523 a hundred percent. 103 00:02:47,523 --> 00:02:48,543 Chris: Because of this. 104 00:02:48,783 --> 00:02:51,723 the interest in ethical leadership has grown proportionally. 105 00:02:52,653 --> 00:02:56,253 The ethical scholars that are the leaders of ethical scholar studies, 106 00:02:56,253 --> 00:03:00,513 such as Ronald high fights, James McGregor burns and rubber Greenleaf. 107 00:03:00,873 --> 00:03:03,423 I provided a perspective in this area. 108 00:03:03,813 --> 00:03:07,533 and a common theme is a need for leadership based on honesty. 109 00:03:07,773 --> 00:03:10,353 Service for others and moral courage. 110 00:03:10,383 --> 00:03:11,523 Would you agree with that? 111 00:03:12,393 --> 00:03:12,783 Dave: Yeah. 112 00:03:12,783 --> 00:03:14,583 that's a, that's an interesting. 113 00:03:15,063 --> 00:03:17,283 Two words you put together their moral 114 00:03:17,714 --> 00:03:18,074 Chris: Moral 115 00:03:18,224 --> 00:03:20,414 Dave: When that word, what do you think about those two words, 116 00:03:20,444 --> 00:03:20,864 Chris: Chris? 117 00:03:21,374 --> 00:03:22,034 I think about when 118 00:03:22,034 --> 00:03:24,734 you know, what the right thing is or what you should be doing. 119 00:03:24,764 --> 00:03:26,924 But yet you don't have the courage to do 120 00:03:26,924 --> 00:03:27,134 that. 121 00:03:27,134 --> 00:03:27,584 It takes a 122 00:03:27,584 --> 00:03:28,484 certain amount of courage 123 00:03:28,484 --> 00:03:30,284 to stand up when you're against the crowd. 124 00:03:30,554 --> 00:03:32,024 Dave: man, we need more Christians. 125 00:03:32,024 --> 00:03:33,164 That have moral 126 00:03:33,284 --> 00:03:33,704 Chris: do. 127 00:03:33,914 --> 00:03:34,514 Amen. 128 00:03:35,774 --> 00:03:36,194 Dave: Yeah. 129 00:03:36,194 --> 00:03:37,274 What do you think Wayne? 130 00:03:37,724 --> 00:03:39,794 Wayne: I literally tell my guys all the time. 131 00:03:40,874 --> 00:03:42,644 Don't be afraid to be. 132 00:03:43,194 --> 00:03:43,704 Different. 133 00:03:44,454 --> 00:03:45,024 Chris: Very good. 134 00:03:45,144 --> 00:03:46,224 Wayne: Be afraid to be the example. 135 00:03:46,434 --> 00:03:47,244 Chris: Very good. 136 00:03:47,574 --> 00:03:50,574 Dave: Being a guy created you to be, but make sure you have integrity. 137 00:03:50,574 --> 00:03:53,153 And I think that's what we're going through today is that right? 138 00:03:53,183 --> 00:03:53,783 Chris: That's it. 139 00:03:53,843 --> 00:03:54,353 That's it. 140 00:03:54,683 --> 00:03:56,063 So now for high fights. 141 00:03:56,603 --> 00:03:59,633 The leadership involves using authority to help followers. 142 00:03:59,723 --> 00:04:01,703 uphold the values in the workplace. 143 00:04:02,123 --> 00:04:05,633 Burns his theory of transformational leadership, which you may remember. 144 00:04:05,693 --> 00:04:09,743 emphasizes the moral development of followers and maintains a high 145 00:04:09,743 --> 00:04:13,313 standards of ethical conduct while Greenleaf's approach to leadership 146 00:04:13,613 --> 00:04:17,393 has strong, ethical overtones with the central premise, being that true 147 00:04:17,393 --> 00:04:19,613 leadership is a service to others. 148 00:04:20,603 --> 00:04:21,353 Dave: That's good stuff. 149 00:04:21,383 --> 00:04:21,773 I think, 150 00:04:21,824 --> 00:04:21,974 Chris: that. 151 00:04:22,574 --> 00:04:22,694 I 152 00:04:22,904 --> 00:04:25,574 Dave: one of the biggest things that the church is lacking. 153 00:04:25,574 --> 00:04:26,054 and I know. 154 00:04:26,114 --> 00:04:29,945 in our church is something we've wanted to get better at is serving attitude. 155 00:04:30,009 --> 00:04:34,243 And the funny thing is just look next door and try it. 156 00:04:34,273 --> 00:04:34,333 And. 157 00:04:34,543 --> 00:04:38,083 You can do, you can serve people in ways you never dreamed of. 158 00:04:38,110 --> 00:04:42,100 My wife, she doesn't always like being around people, but she can cook. 159 00:04:42,430 --> 00:04:42,910 All day 160 00:04:42,910 --> 00:04:46,000 long she loves taking people food and bless him that way. 161 00:04:46,210 --> 00:04:48,010 Chris: Oh, she is so good at that too. 162 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:49,180 She's amazing. 163 00:04:49,235 --> 00:04:52,999 Dave: She finds her lane and jumps in it and I think that's pretty important. 164 00:04:52,999 --> 00:04:53,989 What do you think Wayne? 165 00:04:54,589 --> 00:04:54,889 Wayne: Sure. 166 00:04:54,889 --> 00:04:56,382 I Not everybody is going to do. 167 00:04:56,832 --> 00:04:57,492 The same thing. 168 00:04:57,492 --> 00:04:58,923 not everyone has the same gifts. 169 00:04:58,923 --> 00:04:59,807 Chris: think we got a winner. 170 00:04:59,897 --> 00:05:00,557 Very good. 171 00:05:01,577 --> 00:05:01,787 Dave: That 172 00:05:01,817 --> 00:05:02,036 Chris: was a. 173 00:05:02,066 --> 00:05:02,786 Dave: fun sound. 174 00:05:03,536 --> 00:05:04,376 Chris: We're trying them out. 175 00:05:04,826 --> 00:05:08,126 So I think it may be good to review those three theories just quickly. 176 00:05:08,396 --> 00:05:08,576 If 177 00:05:08,576 --> 00:05:12,236 he remember high fights, his theory, is leadership, is adaptive leadership. 178 00:05:12,506 --> 00:05:15,896 And in a nutshell, it states as the responsibility of the leader is to 179 00:05:15,896 --> 00:05:19,736 assist the follower in struggling with change and personal growth. 180 00:05:20,336 --> 00:05:20,726 Burns. 181 00:05:20,726 --> 00:05:20,846 His 182 00:05:20,846 --> 00:05:21,776 theory of leadership 183 00:05:21,806 --> 00:05:23,516 is transformational leadership. 184 00:05:23,546 --> 00:05:25,826 And he states that The leader's responsibility is 185 00:05:25,826 --> 00:05:30,086 to assist the followers in assessing their values and needs, and to help followers 186 00:05:30,086 --> 00:05:32,306 rise to a higher level of functioning. 187 00:05:33,626 --> 00:05:34,346 And everybody's 188 00:05:34,346 --> 00:05:35,876 favorite is Robert Greenleaf. 189 00:05:35,906 --> 00:05:37,706 He developed his idea of servant 190 00:05:37,706 --> 00:05:40,376 leadership and he says the leaders should be attentive. 191 00:05:40,676 --> 00:05:44,426 to the concerns of their followers and should take care of them and nurture them. 192 00:05:44,906 --> 00:05:47,426 In addition, Greenleaf argues that the servant leaders 193 00:05:47,636 --> 00:05:49,316 have social responsibilities. 194 00:05:49,316 --> 00:05:51,236 To be connected with the have-nots. 195 00:05:51,236 --> 00:05:53,276 and Should strive to remove inequalities. 196 00:05:53,306 --> 00:05:54,686 and social injustices. 197 00:05:55,436 --> 00:05:58,346 Greenleaf Places a great deal of emphasis on listening. 198 00:05:58,556 --> 00:06:01,406 empathy And unconditional acceptance of others. 199 00:06:01,436 --> 00:06:02,366 Those sound familiar. 200 00:06:02,696 --> 00:06:03,566 Dave: Absolutely. 201 00:06:03,621 --> 00:06:04,365 And I think. 202 00:06:05,205 --> 00:06:06,195 Say those again. 203 00:06:06,195 --> 00:06:07,965 Cause I think it's important that we hear those. 204 00:06:08,325 --> 00:06:09,225 Chris: Throws things again. 205 00:06:09,255 --> 00:06:09,435 high. 206 00:06:09,795 --> 00:06:11,955 This theory is adaptive leadership. 207 00:06:12,045 --> 00:06:12,465 Burns. 208 00:06:12,465 --> 00:06:14,685 is theory is transformational leadership. 209 00:06:14,955 --> 00:06:17,235 and Greenleaf's theory is the servant leader. 210 00:06:18,045 --> 00:06:21,945 Dave: and I think those are all important things that we need to apply. 211 00:06:21,946 --> 00:06:22,967 Every one of those. 212 00:06:23,027 --> 00:06:23,777 Chris: Absolutely. 213 00:06:24,317 --> 00:06:25,127 So now let's quickly. 214 00:06:25,127 --> 00:06:25,547 move on to 215 00:06:25,547 --> 00:06:26,177 One more. 216 00:06:26,507 --> 00:06:29,177 This was written in a book in 1986 called the 217 00:06:29,177 --> 00:06:30,077 hard problems 218 00:06:30,077 --> 00:06:30,827 of management. 219 00:06:30,857 --> 00:06:33,707 gaining the ethics edge and it's by mark pasting. 220 00:06:34,517 --> 00:06:36,797 Mark paced and was the first person to teach him. 221 00:06:37,127 --> 00:06:37,817 I'm sorry, take a 222 00:06:37,817 --> 00:06:39,047 managerial approach to 223 00:06:39,047 --> 00:06:40,337 ethics in business. 224 00:06:40,697 --> 00:06:41,057 This was 225 00:06:41,057 --> 00:06:42,917 considered very thought provoking 226 00:06:43,277 --> 00:06:43,997 at the time 227 00:06:44,057 --> 00:06:45,947 and paste and makes the following 228 00:06:45,947 --> 00:06:46,997 point to see 229 00:06:47,027 --> 00:06:48,347 if you guys agree with this. 230 00:06:48,767 --> 00:06:49,817 An ideal 231 00:06:49,937 --> 00:06:51,497 ethical organization 232 00:06:51,647 --> 00:06:53,657 adds to the value of the individuals 233 00:06:53,657 --> 00:06:54,107 who are in the 234 00:06:54,107 --> 00:06:54,947 organization. 235 00:06:55,337 --> 00:06:59,297 It does not require that the individual sacrifice some of their integrity 236 00:06:59,297 --> 00:07:00,969 to belong to the organization. 237 00:07:01,469 --> 00:07:01,949 Dave: I agree. 238 00:07:02,021 --> 00:07:02,711 I think. 239 00:07:03,041 --> 00:07:07,812 One of the things that we have to do is it's just again, I know church work. 240 00:07:07,842 --> 00:07:11,442 That's what I deal with and I have to make sure I'm above reproach. 241 00:07:11,502 --> 00:07:12,252 Chris: Absolutely. 242 00:07:12,672 --> 00:07:15,222 Dave: That, that people know I'm doing my best to live it. 243 00:07:15,222 --> 00:07:17,892 That doesn't mean I won't make mistakes, but it means that when I 244 00:07:17,892 --> 00:07:21,578 claim those mistakes allowing Jesus to work through me and get better. 245 00:07:21,698 --> 00:07:22,328 Chris: Amen. 246 00:07:22,538 --> 00:07:23,738 Wait, what do you think about that? 247 00:07:24,488 --> 00:07:25,538 Wayne: It makes perfect sense. 248 00:07:26,258 --> 00:07:29,228 Chris: Let me take that a step further and apply my own twist to that. 249 00:07:29,588 --> 00:07:33,458 Leadership when understood correctly operates the same way. 250 00:07:33,458 --> 00:07:36,188 Leadership adds to the value of the individuals. 251 00:07:36,518 --> 00:07:39,488 And it should never require that individual sacrifice 252 00:07:39,548 --> 00:07:40,788 any of their integrity. 253 00:07:41,288 --> 00:07:42,248 Agree or disagree. 254 00:07:42,398 --> 00:07:42,788 Wayne: I agree. 255 00:07:42,968 --> 00:07:43,058 I 256 00:07:43,058 --> 00:07:44,798 Dave: don't think you should ever sacrifice 257 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:45,818 The live like him. 258 00:07:45,818 --> 00:07:48,698 And I think it's not something that we just act at. 259 00:07:48,698 --> 00:07:49,448 we live at. 260 00:07:49,478 --> 00:07:50,474 We work at it. 261 00:07:50,474 --> 00:07:51,614 It's an every day. 262 00:07:51,914 --> 00:07:53,234 put it on kind of thing. 263 00:07:53,564 --> 00:07:54,254 Chris: Absolutely. 264 00:07:54,644 --> 00:07:54,734 Does 265 00:07:54,794 --> 00:07:55,394 Dave: make sense? 266 00:07:55,724 --> 00:07:56,504 Chris: Perfect sense. 267 00:07:56,534 --> 00:07:58,334 Wayne: If I can carry that one step further, 268 00:07:58,334 --> 00:07:59,774 Dave: You absolutely can. 269 00:08:00,254 --> 00:08:02,753 Wayne: That's something I've learned as I end up. 270 00:08:02,820 --> 00:08:04,186 With opportunities to teach me. 271 00:08:04,426 --> 00:08:05,236 At the church. 272 00:08:06,166 --> 00:08:08,476 Is if I don't think of those. 273 00:08:09,646 --> 00:08:11,116 Nights where I'm teaching. 274 00:08:11,776 --> 00:08:12,916 As an assignment. 275 00:08:13,486 --> 00:08:13,666 Chris: That 276 00:08:13,666 --> 00:08:13,726 I 277 00:08:13,726 --> 00:08:15,376 Wayne: have to cover a particular thing. 278 00:08:15,766 --> 00:08:18,226 And live my daily life, always. 279 00:08:19,036 --> 00:08:20,236 In that thing that. 280 00:08:20,926 --> 00:08:22,366 In this case, in the word. 281 00:08:23,146 --> 00:08:23,446 Then. 282 00:08:23,716 --> 00:08:25,846 Wednesday nights means something completely different. 283 00:08:25,996 --> 00:08:26,926 Chris: That's beautiful. 284 00:08:27,076 --> 00:08:27,496 Yeah, 285 00:08:27,586 --> 00:08:28,576 I can see that. 286 00:08:28,816 --> 00:08:29,026 And he 287 00:08:29,026 --> 00:08:29,986 Dave: does a great job. 288 00:08:30,016 --> 00:08:30,856 on Wednesday nights. 289 00:08:30,976 --> 00:08:31,246 Chris: Yes. 290 00:08:31,306 --> 00:08:32,056 He really does. 291 00:08:32,086 --> 00:08:33,946 Dave: important that you guys know that. 292 00:08:34,484 --> 00:08:37,274 This things that we're talking about, it's not something that we just 293 00:08:37,369 --> 00:08:37,579 Chris: it's 294 00:08:37,579 --> 00:08:41,989 Dave: our life and we want to apply these things every day. 295 00:08:42,079 --> 00:08:44,526 to to our leadership and be better at it. 296 00:08:44,605 --> 00:08:45,325 Chris: Absolutely right. 297 00:08:45,355 --> 00:08:46,145 Dave: So there you go. 298 00:08:46,174 --> 00:08:48,064 Chris: Let me finish with this When the paced and viewed 299 00:08:48,064 --> 00:08:50,062 leadership a social contract. 300 00:08:50,662 --> 00:08:54,802 And he developed a two-prong test for deciding if ethics of that contract. 301 00:08:54,892 --> 00:08:57,532 should be translated to the concept of leadership. 302 00:08:58,462 --> 00:09:00,262 The social contract is sound. 303 00:09:00,322 --> 00:09:04,642 If the parties to the contract would enter the contact freely and fairly. 304 00:09:04,642 --> 00:09:05,602 is what he said. 305 00:09:06,082 --> 00:09:10,102 The patient didn't tell us what he meant by the use of the word freely. 306 00:09:10,402 --> 00:09:12,232 except it means voluntarily. 307 00:09:12,562 --> 00:09:13,342 He also did 308 00:09:13,342 --> 00:09:13,672 not. 309 00:09:13,672 --> 00:09:15,832 define the word fairly. 310 00:09:16,162 --> 00:09:20,962 But most of us know the secret to determining if a contract is fair, 311 00:09:21,172 --> 00:09:22,552 Wayne, you're a Wheeler and dealer. 312 00:09:22,552 --> 00:09:24,382 How do you know if a contract is fair? 313 00:09:24,382 --> 00:09:25,609 There's a simple test. 314 00:09:26,109 --> 00:09:28,659 Wayne: If everybody wins a little and everybody loses a little. 315 00:09:29,049 --> 00:09:29,379 Chris: That's a 316 00:09:29,379 --> 00:09:29,979 good answer. 317 00:09:30,099 --> 00:09:30,579 Dave: That's good. 318 00:09:30,579 --> 00:09:30,729 Wayne: but 319 00:09:30,729 --> 00:09:31,809 Chris: that's not what I had in mind, 320 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:32,799 Dave: No you're wrong. 321 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:34,639 Loser. 322 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:36,539 Chris: Dave, what do you think. 323 00:09:37,829 --> 00:09:38,129 I 324 00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:38,369 Dave: I've 325 00:09:38,369 --> 00:09:39,749 already forgot the question now. 326 00:09:39,779 --> 00:09:40,199 go over it 327 00:09:40,439 --> 00:09:43,139 Chris: It's a simple test to tell if any contract is fair. 328 00:09:44,139 --> 00:09:44,739 Dave: I think if it. 329 00:09:44,769 --> 00:09:45,639 were for me. 330 00:09:45,639 --> 00:09:46,449 if it matches with. 331 00:09:46,449 --> 00:09:49,239 truth, if it's, if it lines up to my. 332 00:09:49,299 --> 00:09:50,019 Chris: can see that. 333 00:09:50,049 --> 00:09:52,295 Dave: To what I believe you can tell me I'm wrong. 334 00:09:52,295 --> 00:09:52,505 too. 335 00:09:52,505 --> 00:09:52,685 It's 336 00:09:52,715 --> 00:09:53,105 Chris: okay. 337 00:09:53,165 --> 00:09:53,405 But. 338 00:09:53,555 --> 00:09:56,375 the simple test to tell if any contract is fair. 339 00:09:56,705 --> 00:10:00,155 If both parties would still agree if the roles were reversed. 340 00:10:00,695 --> 00:10:00,905 Oh, 341 00:10:01,895 --> 00:10:03,395 Dave: See, I wasn't even thinking that way. 342 00:10:03,425 --> 00:10:03,635 That's. 343 00:10:03,635 --> 00:10:04,085 good. 344 00:10:05,135 --> 00:10:06,605 Wayne: He let you off easy on that one. 345 00:10:06,725 --> 00:10:07,385 Chris: I did. 346 00:10:07,445 --> 00:10:09,575 Dave: he did not lay you off. 347 00:10:09,665 --> 00:10:10,325 Wayne: railed me. 348 00:10:11,555 --> 00:10:13,415 Dave: That's because you're a loser 349 00:10:13,475 --> 00:10:15,005 Chris: Maybe a little worse with. 350 00:10:15,575 --> 00:10:17,855 So Here's a verse that I thought really tied in with this 351 00:10:17,855 --> 00:10:19,235 it's Philippians two, three. 352 00:10:19,475 --> 00:10:20,705 Do nothing from selfish. 353 00:10:21,065 --> 00:10:22,925 selfish ambition or conceit. 354 00:10:22,955 --> 00:10:23,885 but in humility. 355 00:10:24,125 --> 00:10:26,555 count others more significant than yourself. 356 00:10:26,735 --> 00:10:27,155 That's good. 357 00:10:27,515 --> 00:10:29,045 Dave: I A hundred percent and. 358 00:10:29,097 --> 00:10:29,967 What's that look like? 359 00:10:29,967 --> 00:10:30,820 How you put that on. 360 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:32,610 Chris: How to treat others. 361 00:10:33,610 --> 00:10:35,320 More significantly than yourself. 362 00:10:35,410 --> 00:10:35,920 Yes. 363 00:10:36,490 --> 00:10:37,270 That's a good question. 364 00:10:37,270 --> 00:10:38,860 How do we live that every day? 365 00:10:39,420 --> 00:10:42,810 Dave: And I think again, so there's simple things you can do. 366 00:10:42,810 --> 00:10:47,790 I remember when I first started ministry, I used to pass out those WWJD bracelets. 367 00:10:48,330 --> 00:10:49,200 Chris: I remember those well. 368 00:10:49,290 --> 00:10:49,470 Those 369 00:10:49,470 --> 00:10:53,100 Dave: bracelets are good, but that lifestyle's better If you're really 370 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:55,590 asking yourself, what would Jesus do? 371 00:10:55,860 --> 00:10:58,890 That's a great integrity model for you to follow. 372 00:10:58,890 --> 00:11:00,340 How would Jesus handle this? 373 00:11:00,340 --> 00:11:03,174 If someone hurts you, how would Jesus deal with that hurt? 374 00:11:03,203 --> 00:11:07,703 Granted he's Jesus and we're not, but if we do our best to compare 375 00:11:07,703 --> 00:11:09,533 it and use the word as our guide. 376 00:11:10,403 --> 00:11:14,573 I've always discovered him with me to find godly people that I can trust. 377 00:11:14,933 --> 00:11:16,073 And you know, what. 378 00:11:16,133 --> 00:11:16,523 Chris, 379 00:11:16,523 --> 00:11:17,183 what do you think. 380 00:11:17,243 --> 00:11:18,203 Am I wrong here? 381 00:11:18,353 --> 00:11:18,863 Chris: I agree. 382 00:11:18,893 --> 00:11:22,523 Dave: And someone who will tell me I'm wrong. 383 00:11:22,793 --> 00:11:25,883 It's just as important as someone who will tell me I'm right. 384 00:11:25,973 --> 00:11:28,103 Chris: may be more important because they're more rare 385 00:11:28,133 --> 00:11:28,223 Dave: now. 386 00:11:28,373 --> 00:11:29,273 I think I'm right there. 387 00:11:29,273 --> 00:11:29,843 Both equal. 388 00:11:30,773 --> 00:11:31,373 Chris: I tried. 389 00:11:31,373 --> 00:11:32,093 He didn't listen. 390 00:11:32,660 --> 00:11:35,090 So I want to end this one with a couple of moral dilemmas. 391 00:11:35,090 --> 00:11:36,260 Now, the purpose of this. 392 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:36,950 It's to 393 00:11:36,950 --> 00:11:37,640 show you. 394 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,290 With regards to ethics 395 00:11:39,290 --> 00:11:40,160 or anything else? 396 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,000 in leadership. 397 00:11:41,420 --> 00:11:44,240 Sometimes there's no great decision. 398 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,560 There's no perfect decision. 399 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:47,450 You're going to end up making people mad. 400 00:11:47,780 --> 00:11:47,930 And 401 00:11:47,930 --> 00:11:48,350 you're going to end 402 00:11:48,350 --> 00:11:50,570 up making people think you've made unethical. 403 00:11:50,570 --> 00:11:51,980 Decisions when the truth is. 404 00:11:52,010 --> 00:11:53,450 You've done the best that you 405 00:11:53,450 --> 00:11:53,930 can. 406 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:55,760 Dave, I want to start with you. 407 00:11:56,540 --> 00:11:59,570 In this dilemma, you're playing the role of a citizen. 408 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:00,770 I'm sure. 409 00:12:00,770 --> 00:12:01,520 you can handle that. 410 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,050 Dave: and gentlemen, Dave scaff. 411 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:03,200 Yeah. 412 00:12:03,740 --> 00:12:04,550 citizen 413 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:05,090 Wayne: Kane. 414 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,140 Dave: citizen. 415 00:12:07,140 --> 00:12:08,160 Chris: Let's give her a little drama to. 416 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:08,580 that one. 417 00:12:08,610 --> 00:12:08,790 We 418 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:09,570 Dave: like to have fun. 419 00:12:10,570 --> 00:12:11,200 Chris: No. 420 00:12:12,190 --> 00:12:13,180 Dave: Barry was. 421 00:12:13,660 --> 00:12:15,490 Chris: Dave, you're driving your car. 422 00:12:15,730 --> 00:12:17,590 When you come upon the scene of an accident. 423 00:12:17,650 --> 00:12:20,590 and there's no emergency vehicles, you're the first car there. 424 00:12:21,220 --> 00:12:22,152 And clearly. 425 00:12:22,422 --> 00:12:25,572 one person will die without immediate medical care. 426 00:12:26,202 --> 00:12:28,542 You take the victim and speed to the hospital. 427 00:12:28,572 --> 00:12:29,742 You're going to save the life. 428 00:12:29,742 --> 00:12:30,642 That's wonderful. 429 00:12:31,062 --> 00:12:35,322 But the extra speed causes another accident and a person dies. 430 00:12:35,772 --> 00:12:37,113 How should you be judged? 431 00:12:37,613 --> 00:12:39,203 Dave: Oh, my goodness. 432 00:12:39,863 --> 00:12:41,963 Oh, I didn't know world. 433 00:12:42,963 --> 00:12:43,923 Chris: These are not easy. 434 00:12:44,103 --> 00:12:44,613 Yeah. 435 00:12:44,893 --> 00:12:45,595 Dave: I don't know. 436 00:12:45,595 --> 00:12:46,165 I think. 437 00:12:47,005 --> 00:12:48,955 I'm probably I lean gray. 438 00:12:48,955 --> 00:12:50,995 So my heart was right. 439 00:12:51,115 --> 00:12:53,065 I screwed up, but my heart was right. 440 00:12:53,095 --> 00:12:53,965 How should I be judged? 441 00:12:54,175 --> 00:12:58,675 So ultimately in the eyes of God, I think I gave grace in the eyes of people. 442 00:12:58,705 --> 00:12:59,545 How they look at me. 443 00:13:00,265 --> 00:13:00,355 Chris: I 444 00:13:00,355 --> 00:13:00,475 don't 445 00:13:00,475 --> 00:13:00,625 Dave: know. 446 00:13:00,625 --> 00:13:03,475 I think it would go both ways and I just gotta be okay with knowing 447 00:13:03,475 --> 00:13:04,585 that I was trying to do my best. 448 00:13:04,615 --> 00:13:04,915 shit. 449 00:13:04,915 --> 00:13:05,665 I've speeded. 450 00:13:06,625 --> 00:13:07,075 Speeding. 451 00:13:07,105 --> 00:13:07,945 Is that the right word? 452 00:13:08,635 --> 00:13:10,045 Chris: Should I have gone 453 00:13:10,045 --> 00:13:11,245 Dave: too fast. 454 00:13:12,085 --> 00:13:12,625 Chris: That's it. 455 00:13:13,169 --> 00:13:14,369 Dave: I've been drinking either. 456 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:15,149 All right. 457 00:13:15,149 --> 00:13:15,569 Sorry. 458 00:13:15,599 --> 00:13:17,669 Chris: you were Doing your best to save a life. 459 00:13:17,699 --> 00:13:17,999 But 460 00:13:18,089 --> 00:13:18,899 I don't think. 461 00:13:18,929 --> 00:13:22,319 the Family of the person who died would agree with that at all. 462 00:13:22,469 --> 00:13:22,709 Wayne: Yes, you 463 00:13:22,769 --> 00:13:22,919 Dave: because. 464 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:23,309 you're driving. 465 00:13:23,339 --> 00:13:23,519 Yeah, I 466 00:13:23,549 --> 00:13:23,939 agree. 467 00:13:24,119 --> 00:13:24,749 I get that. 468 00:13:24,809 --> 00:13:25,979 I get both sides of it. 469 00:13:26,035 --> 00:13:28,405 I get the hard, that's trying to save somebody to. 470 00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:31,810 But I think ultimately you can't go wrong when you'll be the law. 471 00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:33,280 Chris: That's true. 472 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:34,060 Dave: I really don't. 473 00:13:34,270 --> 00:13:34,750 And none of 474 00:13:34,764 --> 00:13:36,264 Chris: What if you would have obeyed The law. 475 00:13:36,294 --> 00:13:38,094 And you didn't speed, you didn't cause an 476 00:13:38,094 --> 00:13:39,684 accident, but the person you're trying to 477 00:13:39,684 --> 00:13:41,184 save died and his family. 478 00:13:41,184 --> 00:13:43,362 thought, Man, why didn't he step on it? 479 00:13:43,364 --> 00:13:45,884 Dave: And again, it comes down to my heart. 480 00:13:45,884 --> 00:13:47,024 You can't judge my heart. 481 00:13:47,054 --> 00:13:48,824 Chris, cause that's between me and God. 482 00:13:49,184 --> 00:13:50,444 Chris: You're absolutely right. 483 00:13:50,444 --> 00:13:52,994 Dave: but If I want, if I think I'm doing the right thing then I 484 00:13:52,994 --> 00:13:54,164 think I'm doing the right thing. 485 00:13:54,164 --> 00:13:55,044 Wayne, what do you think? 486 00:13:55,044 --> 00:13:55,422 Wayne: I think. 487 00:13:55,992 --> 00:13:58,122 No one can predict the future. 488 00:13:59,022 --> 00:14:01,392 So it goes back for me every time I. 489 00:14:01,392 --> 00:14:03,342 think I'm about to get vested for speeding. 490 00:14:04,212 --> 00:14:05,112 I always have this. 491 00:14:05,382 --> 00:14:08,532 made up conversation I can go through my head with the police officer. 492 00:14:09,059 --> 00:14:10,619 Dave: I've had to drive with him. 493 00:14:10,739 --> 00:14:11,159 Chris: my God. 494 00:14:11,969 --> 00:14:15,299 Dave: This is going to be so much fun For me. 495 00:14:15,299 --> 00:14:16,049 to go off here. 496 00:14:16,049 --> 00:14:16,919 and it's, I can't go ahead. 497 00:14:17,919 --> 00:14:19,359 Wayne: Because I always think. 498 00:14:20,359 --> 00:14:21,499 If I hadn't been speeding. 499 00:14:21,499 --> 00:14:24,229 I wouldn't be in this place, but if I had been going slower than 500 00:14:24,229 --> 00:14:25,699 maybe I would have been an accident. 501 00:14:25,849 --> 00:14:26,599 Like we really just. 502 00:14:26,659 --> 00:14:28,699 Chris: Oh, you've put some real thought into that. 503 00:14:28,789 --> 00:14:28,849 You 504 00:14:29,089 --> 00:14:30,409 Dave: have put your phone down. 505 00:14:30,499 --> 00:14:30,559 Yeah, 506 00:14:31,969 --> 00:14:32,269 Chris: Hey. 507 00:14:32,479 --> 00:14:33,469 Wayne: I was speeding. 508 00:14:34,369 --> 00:14:35,209 I wasn't doing the 509 00:14:35,209 --> 00:14:35,869 Dave: speeding. 510 00:14:37,339 --> 00:14:37,699 Chris: Okay. 511 00:14:37,729 --> 00:14:38,869 Look the point of this. 512 00:14:39,409 --> 00:14:40,399 Is hopefully. 513 00:14:40,669 --> 00:14:41,269 You can see in the 514 00:14:41,299 --> 00:14:42,319 listeners can see that 515 00:14:42,349 --> 00:14:43,729 sometimes as 516 00:14:43,729 --> 00:14:44,299 a leader, you're 517 00:14:44,299 --> 00:14:45,589 going to have to make decisions. 518 00:14:45,589 --> 00:14:46,920 that not everyone's gonna And some 519 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:47,730 people are gonna think. 520 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,920 are unethical, but you have to make 521 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,280 the best decision with the information you have at that time. 522 00:14:53,310 --> 00:14:54,870 And not looking back at it. 523 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:56,100 Dave: Absolutely. 524 00:14:56,370 --> 00:14:56,970 That's good. 525 00:14:57,060 --> 00:14:57,330 Chris: Wayne. 526 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,880 I've got one for you in this moral dilemma, you'll be 527 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:01,420 playing the role of a salesman. 528 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,310 Oh, no. 529 00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:03,480 Dave: Ladies and gentlemen. 530 00:15:03,630 --> 00:15:04,770 Wayne: I'm broken, starving. 531 00:15:05,790 --> 00:15:06,060 Yeah. 532 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,670 Chris: You learn that your company is selling. 533 00:15:08,670 --> 00:15:10,050 faulty equipment. 534 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,760 That could be dangerous. 535 00:15:12,330 --> 00:15:14,580 But your spouse needs medical treatment. 536 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:18,360 That costs a lot of money and it's a large percentage of your income. 537 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,010 You believe that. 538 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,020 if you confront your employer with the faulty equipment, you will lose your job. 539 00:15:25,530 --> 00:15:26,820 And your wife will die. 540 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:27,180 What do 541 00:15:27,180 --> 00:15:27,750 you do? 542 00:15:28,750 --> 00:15:29,290 Compared to 543 00:15:29,290 --> 00:15:29,680 Wayne: to answer. 544 00:15:30,610 --> 00:15:32,020 Chris: I wish I had the jeopardy thing. 545 00:15:32,050 --> 00:15:32,200 Yeah, 546 00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:33,910 Dave: dun. 547 00:15:34,496 --> 00:15:34,856 Dun. 548 00:15:34,856 --> 00:15:38,306 Wayne: I wouldn't bring it up to somebody in my company. 549 00:15:38,756 --> 00:15:40,256 Chris: Higher than you are lower than you. 550 00:15:40,376 --> 00:15:40,946 Higher than. 551 00:15:41,156 --> 00:15:41,240 Okay. 552 00:15:41,740 --> 00:15:43,570 Wayne: But I would probably have the goods. 553 00:15:44,410 --> 00:15:45,580 If they came back on me. 554 00:15:46,580 --> 00:15:48,530 To pursue some other sort of action. 555 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:49,610 If I got fired. 556 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:51,230 Chris: So you 557 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:52,130 Wayne: We're doing the right thing. 558 00:15:52,190 --> 00:15:52,730 Chris: Okay. 559 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:55,250 It's like a whistleblower thing or something like that. 560 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:56,270 Okay. 561 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:57,770 Okay. 562 00:15:58,130 --> 00:15:59,399 Yeah, your wife has. 563 00:16:00,059 --> 00:16:01,536 Certainly your main 564 00:16:01,536 --> 00:16:02,346 priority. 565 00:16:02,586 --> 00:16:02,856 Sure. 566 00:16:03,066 --> 00:16:06,696 But if you don't do something, someone could be injured or die. 567 00:16:06,726 --> 00:16:07,769 Dave, what do you think about it? 568 00:16:07,769 --> 00:16:09,569 Dave: Doing the right things, doing the right thing. 569 00:16:09,689 --> 00:16:09,779 I 570 00:16:09,809 --> 00:16:11,489 Wayne: think there's that answer again? 571 00:16:11,789 --> 00:16:11,909 Dave: I 572 00:16:11,909 --> 00:16:12,539 think Wayne's 573 00:16:12,539 --> 00:16:12,719 Chris: right. 574 00:16:12,959 --> 00:16:13,079 Dave: And. 575 00:16:13,319 --> 00:16:14,999 Wayne: I'm just going to pick the right answer. 576 00:16:15,779 --> 00:16:17,039 That's what he did last time, 577 00:16:17,249 --> 00:16:18,599 Dave: But it's true. 578 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:19,630 If you do what. 579 00:16:20,020 --> 00:16:21,430 You know is right. 580 00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:25,479 Ultimately, we stand before a judge, 581 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:26,055 judge 582 00:16:26,415 --> 00:16:28,125 Chris: And God, the father and 583 00:16:28,215 --> 00:16:28,635 amen. 584 00:16:28,845 --> 00:16:29,295 I 585 00:16:29,295 --> 00:16:32,205 Dave: don't want to stand before him and not have done the wrong thing. 586 00:16:32,295 --> 00:16:35,955 All right, I had done the wrong thing, And So I think doing 587 00:16:35,955 --> 00:16:37,185 the right thing, you can't. 588 00:16:37,395 --> 00:16:37,605 eat. 589 00:16:37,635 --> 00:16:38,625 That's it now. 590 00:16:40,125 --> 00:16:40,365 Wayne: Does 591 00:16:40,515 --> 00:16:41,835 Dave: make it easy No. 592 00:16:41,835 --> 00:16:44,535 And do I understand if someone didn't do the right thing. 593 00:16:44,565 --> 00:16:45,465 A hundred percent. 594 00:16:45,945 --> 00:16:47,775 But doing the right things doing right thing. 595 00:16:47,865 --> 00:16:48,443 Chris: Absolutely. 596 00:16:48,493 --> 00:16:50,323 Galatians 5:16 tells us. 597 00:16:50,803 --> 00:16:55,063 But I say walk by the spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 598 00:16:55,393 --> 00:16:56,113 For the desires 599 00:16:56,113 --> 00:16:57,673 of the flesh are against the spirit. 600 00:16:57,673 --> 00:16:57,823 And. 601 00:16:57,823 --> 00:16:58,873 the desires of the spirit. 602 00:16:58,873 --> 00:16:59,023 or. 603 00:16:59,023 --> 00:17:00,152 against the flesh. 604 00:17:00,652 --> 00:17:01,342 Dave: There you go. 605 00:17:01,392 --> 00:17:02,205 It's turmoil. 606 00:17:02,205 --> 00:17:02,535 It's. 607 00:17:02,805 --> 00:17:04,629 we're constantly in a sin battle. 608 00:17:04,629 --> 00:17:06,039 I think we talked about this a little bit, 609 00:17:06,099 --> 00:17:06,789 Chris: Absolutely. 610 00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:07,146 Are. 611 00:17:07,146 --> 00:17:09,663 Dave: Sin at its core is it's the Greek word home RTA. 612 00:17:10,083 --> 00:17:12,093 Which means missing the mark. 613 00:17:12,393 --> 00:17:12,603 And 614 00:17:12,603 --> 00:17:13,293 Chris: I love that. 615 00:17:13,413 --> 00:17:13,983 Love that. 616 00:17:14,043 --> 00:17:14,403 Wayne: Hey. 617 00:17:15,033 --> 00:17:17,043 Dave: Yeah, it's an archery term, Chris. 618 00:17:17,493 --> 00:17:20,798 And it's based on, when you don't hit the targets straight on you, 619 00:17:20,828 --> 00:17:24,578 miss the, you miss the point you've sent and messing God. 620 00:17:24,698 --> 00:17:25,058 Hey. 621 00:17:25,448 --> 00:17:26,288 Wayne's over there. 622 00:17:26,288 --> 00:17:27,938 acting like, he's going to shoot an arrow at me. 623 00:17:27,968 --> 00:17:29,159 Can you please stop him? 624 00:17:29,198 --> 00:17:30,518 Grow up Wayne, come 625 00:17:30,518 --> 00:17:31,808 Chris: not putting an apple on your head. 626 00:17:31,808 --> 00:17:32,768 Don't even think that. 627 00:17:33,278 --> 00:17:33,998 Dave: Yeah, but. 628 00:17:34,148 --> 00:17:38,648 But it's really important to understand anything that's not God. 629 00:17:38,678 --> 00:17:39,968 and you're messing the point. 630 00:17:40,148 --> 00:17:40,988 at sin. 631 00:17:41,288 --> 00:17:43,268 And I think we try and justify. 632 00:17:43,298 --> 00:17:43,928 it so well. 633 00:17:44,138 --> 00:17:45,008 it's not a bad bag. 634 00:17:45,038 --> 00:17:46,418 Cause I'm trusting my heart was right. 635 00:17:46,418 --> 00:17:47,708 And I even said that in the beginning, 636 00:17:47,768 --> 00:17:48,098 Chris: did. 637 00:17:48,158 --> 00:17:48,428 Yes. 638 00:17:49,088 --> 00:17:53,288 Dave: ultimately if your heart is that of Christ Jesus, then your heart is right. 639 00:17:53,708 --> 00:17:54,368 Chris: Absolutely. 640 00:17:54,578 --> 00:17:55,088 I come 641 00:17:55,088 --> 00:17:58,088 Dave: from a point of view or my heart's right, because I'm loving Jesus. 642 00:17:58,388 --> 00:17:58,748 Chris: Yes. 643 00:17:58,748 --> 00:17:59,678 Dave: Does that make sense? 644 00:17:59,678 --> 00:18:02,301 And so I need to do the right thing because I love Jesus. 645 00:18:02,371 --> 00:18:05,611 And doing that is what he's given me here on this earth to do. 646 00:18:05,731 --> 00:18:06,331 Does that make 647 00:18:06,331 --> 00:18:06,511 Chris: sense? 648 00:18:07,171 --> 00:18:08,011 That's beautiful. 649 00:18:08,101 --> 00:18:09,571 Dave: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. 650 00:18:10,097 --> 00:18:10,757 All right. 651 00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:12,447 Chris: Anything else? 652 00:18:12,567 --> 00:18:13,497 I think we've covered it. 653 00:18:13,707 --> 00:18:13,797 All 654 00:18:13,947 --> 00:18:15,237 Dave: Let me close with this then. 655 00:18:15,327 --> 00:18:15,627 Sorry. 656 00:18:15,657 --> 00:18:16,437 there was a little blank. 657 00:18:16,437 --> 00:18:16,557 There 658 00:18:16,587 --> 00:18:17,187 Chris: you can fix that 659 00:18:17,187 --> 00:18:17,517 Dave: later. 660 00:18:17,847 --> 00:18:18,477 All right. 661 00:18:18,927 --> 00:18:20,067 Colossians three 12 says 662 00:18:20,067 --> 00:18:20,187 Chris: this. 663 00:18:21,187 --> 00:18:22,417 you can just start. 664 00:18:23,417 --> 00:18:24,737 Dave: I'm really confused. 665 00:18:25,937 --> 00:18:26,357 All right. 666 00:18:26,387 --> 00:18:26,927 Collage is. 667 00:18:27,107 --> 00:18:30,167 Oh, three 12 says this, therefore, as God's chosen. 668 00:18:30,617 --> 00:18:31,517 Chosen ones. 669 00:18:32,027 --> 00:18:33,557 Holy and dearly love. 670 00:18:33,767 --> 00:18:37,157 Put on compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. 671 00:18:37,547 --> 00:18:39,737 Bearing with one another forgiving one another. 672 00:18:39,737 --> 00:18:43,367 And if anyone has a grievance against one another, just as the Lord has 673 00:18:43,367 --> 00:18:45,467 forgiven you, you also forgive. 674 00:18:45,827 --> 00:18:51,647 Them above all put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. 675 00:18:51,887 --> 00:18:53,387 and let the peace of Christ. 676 00:18:53,537 --> 00:18:58,127 to which you are also called in one body and one heart and be thankful. 677 00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:01,067 But the word of Christ dwell in you richly among you. 678 00:19:01,247 --> 00:19:02,237 That's it right there. 679 00:19:02,547 --> 00:19:04,167 There's a lot more to that. 680 00:19:04,167 --> 00:19:09,207 but the goal is simply this am I living out? 681 00:19:09,627 --> 00:19:11,007 My Christian walk. 682 00:19:11,067 --> 00:19:14,083 My Christ centerdness, that's, we are Christians, which is 683 00:19:14,083 --> 00:19:15,193 basically as Christ, DNS. 684 00:19:15,583 --> 00:19:16,393 what's what we are. 685 00:19:16,423 --> 00:19:17,383 that's What we do. 686 00:19:17,833 --> 00:19:20,323 And this Christian life can be summed up in that. 687 00:19:20,323 --> 00:19:24,701 And go back and read that Colossians three could read the whole part 12 through 17. 688 00:19:24,911 --> 00:19:27,731 I cut it short, but read that whole thing because it's really 689 00:19:27,731 --> 00:19:28,841 important that you understand. 690 00:19:29,081 --> 00:19:29,891 you are chosen. 691 00:19:29,891 --> 00:19:33,161 You are loved and you are called to be better. 692 00:19:33,431 --> 00:19:37,631 And as Christian leaders, I challenge you to do that. 693 00:19:37,811 --> 00:19:38,741 Can I get an amen? 694 00:19:38,861 --> 00:19:39,671 Chris: Amen. 695 00:19:39,731 --> 00:19:40,181 Wayne: Amen. 696 00:19:40,421 --> 00:19:41,201 Dave: Have a great week. 697 00:19:41,231 --> 00:19:41,951 Goodbye, everybody.

Is ethical leadership a no-win situation? Is it possible to remain ethical in all aspects? We review theories from Heifetz, Burns, and Greenleaf and apply Biblical teaching and verses and through in a few moral dilemmas just for fun.

Ethical Leadership Continued

It seems like we live in a world of one after another high-profile scandal in business and government. Because of this, the interest in ethical leadership has grown proportionally. Prominent ethical scholars, including Ronald Heifetz, James MacGregor Burns, and Robert Greenleaf, have provided perspective on this area. A common theme is the need for leadership based on honesty, service to others, and moral courage. For Heifetz, leadership involves using authority to help followers uphold values in the workplace. Burns’s theory of transformational leadership emphasizes the moral development of followers and maintaining high standards of ethical conduct. Greenleaf’s approach to leadership has strong ethical overtones, with the central premise being that true leadership is service to others.

Heifetz’s theory of leadership is known as adaptive leadership, and it states that it is the responsibility of the leader to assist the follower in struggling with change and personal growth

Burn’s theory of leadership is known as the transformational leader. Burns states it is the leader’s responsibility to assist followers in assessing their values & needs and to help followers rise to a higher level of functioning.

Robert Greenleaf developed the idea of the Servant Leader, and he states the leader should be attentive to the concerns of their followers and should take care of them and nurture them. In addition, Greenleaf argues that the servant leader has a social responsibility to be concerned with the have-nots and should strive to remove inequalities and social injustices. Greenleaf places a great deal of emphasis on listening, empathy, and unconditional acceptance of others.

In his 1986 book, The Hard Problems of Management: Gaining the Ethics Edge, Mark Pastin was the first to take a managerial approach to ethics in business. This was considered very thought-provoking on the ethics of management, and Pastin makes the following point: “An ideal [ethical] organization adds to the value of the individuals who are the organization. It does not require that individuals sacrifice some of their integrity to belong to the organization”. I want to paraphrase that statement in terms of leadership. Leadership, correctly understood, operates this way: “Leadership adds to the value of the individuals who are in the relationship. Leadership does not require that individuals sacrifice some of their integrity to be in the relationship.”

Pastin viewed leadership as a sort of social contract, and he developed a two-pronged test for deciding the ethics of a contract that could be translated to the concept of leadership. “Social contract is sound if the parties to the contract would enter the contract freely and fairly” Pastin does not tell us what his use of the word “freely” means except to equate it with voluntarily. Pastin also does not go into how he defines the word “fairly,” but there is a secret to determining if every contract is fair.

“A contract is fair if the parties would freely agree to the contract even if their roles were reversed.”

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