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This is Lead 12:12,2
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a podcast on Christ centered leadership
based on Romans 12:12, rejoice and hope.3
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Be patient and tribulation,
be constant in prayer.4
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Thanks for listening.5
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Now here's Chris and Dave.6
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Hey, everybody! How are you doing?7
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We're back.8
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I think that's a good thing.
What do you think, Chris?9
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We're here. Wayne's with us today.10
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What do you think,
Wayne? It's good. Good to have you.11
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I don't know if I believe Wayne
on that one.12
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Very convincing.13
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He's good.14
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All right. That's OK.15
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We love Wayne.16
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C.S. Lewis said this to be
a Christian means17
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to forgive the inexcusable
because God has forgiven the inexcusable.18
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And you owe that.19
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I love that C.S.20
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Lewis is one of my favorite authors
of all time,21
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and that's just one of many things
from him. Yeah.22
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And so as we talk today about adaptive
leadership, adaptive leadership, yes,23
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I'm excited to see
how God is going to remind us24
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how we're constantly in a changing process25
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and a growing process
and mentoring process.26
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Easy for me to say.
I don't know if I said it very well.27
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You nailed it. But I tried so hard.28
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Mentoring did not sound like that,
but anyway, you make.29
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Ladies and gentlemen, please
tip your waiters and waitresses, you know?30
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Oh yeah, OK.31
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Amy, so OK.32
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What is adaptive leadership?33
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As the title suggests, adaptive34
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leadership is concerned with how leaders
encourage people to adapt,35
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how to confront and overcome problems,
challenges and changes.36
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Adaptive leadership is concerned
with individuals adjustments in response37
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to changing environments, and I guess
in simplest terms, adaptive leaders38
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prepare and assist people
in adjusting to change.39
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Does that make sense? Does make sense.40
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So this is something these are steps
that leaders can take to help the people41
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that work for them,
to work with them, achieve change42
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and be able to tackle problems and issues
that they normally could not.43
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Gotcha.44
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Adaptive leadership was first developed
by a man named High Fitz way back in 1994.45
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Maybe way back to some people,
but it seems like yesterday to me.46
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Yup. Me too.47
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The name of his book was leadership
without easy answers,48
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and it's been used effectively
to teach leaders everywhere to encourage49
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change across multiple levels,
including society community .50
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This is very good
for nonprofit and churches,51
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and even for change with yourself.52
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You know, Dave and Wayne,
one of the things I like53
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best about adaptive
leadership is it's not leader centered.54
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It's not about the leader and what he can
do, how great a person he is.55
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I should say
it has been thought of that way,56
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but adaptive leadership focuses on
how the leader helps others do the work57
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they need to do to adapt to the challenges
that they face.58
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It makes sense. So essentially,
you're making people better.59
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Yeah, you're trying to mentor people is
what kind of what I've gotten out of this?60
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Absolutely.61
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That's it.62
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You try to
what's a good word when you try to?63
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You try to put forth effort
into other people64
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so that they may be blessed and they can
go out and bless others and work together.65
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That makes sense.66
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That's a perfect example.67
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Thanks.68
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I get out every once in a while
to you're a leader in your organization.69
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Do you ever use
adaptive leadership all the time?70
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So you knew what that phrase meant?71
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You do it.
You just didn't know what the term was.72
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Yeah, because in my job, you know,
I've got six people73
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that report to me and I don't want to do
the jobs of six people. No.74
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And I want those people to be able75
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to deal with changes in our organization
as they come out76
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and not always have to go to someone's
right to figure something out.77
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Yes, I think, you know,78
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selfishly is a better reflection
on a leader and followers who are leaders.79
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Yes, to leaders
and just to have the market cornered.80
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I think you said that.81
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Yeah, there we go. Ladies and gentlemen,82
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let's get it up for Wayne.83
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Yes, sir.84
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So guys, correct me if I'm wrong.85
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But every company, organization, church,
anything that you can imagine faces86
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chronic recurring issues.87
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And when you get those same issues
and problems over and over again,88
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what happens?89
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The people in charge
try to do the same old things every time.90
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Sometimes they try to use new technology,
or sometimes they may even try to recruit91
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an expert or streamline something
a communication process or procedure.92
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But the same problem seems to come back
every time.93
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That's right.94
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That's frustrating as a leader
when you feel like you're not really95
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getting the most out of someone,
and it's just frustrating96
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and it's hard to work with that
and it's hard to deal with that.97
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You think you're absolutely right?98
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Dave,
do you think Jesus ever felt that way?99
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Oh, man.100
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So I take
that from a personal perspective.101
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Does Jesus ever feel that way with me?102
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He does with me daily, I'm sure.103
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Yeah, and there's times when I think
I'm on the right path and I think times104
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when I think he needs to hit me
in the back of the head,105
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so does Amy.106
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So in the other double, yeah, thank you.107
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So it's important,
though, that you understand108
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that Jesus knows what you're doing
and who you are,109
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and he knows your mess
and he loves you even in your messiness.110
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So you need.111
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Give that over to him.112
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Get real with him, get honest with him
and watch what you can do three.113
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Oh, that's so true.
That is beautiful, too.114
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You know, I've got a life example
I want to share with that.115
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A while back, I love dogs.116
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I had a dog that had been mistreated
and it would buy people, but117
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we never gave it the chance.118
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I would keep it away from every one
and every time119
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someone would come to visit,
this dog would try to protect me120
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and try to get between me
and the person like it was an invasion.121
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And I was thinking about that one day
in the shower and I thought, you know,122
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if my dog would just relax and trust me,
I won't let anything happen to him.123
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And then I thought, How many times has God
thought out about me?124
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My goodness, if I just relax and trust
him, he's going to take care of me.125
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Amen. But it's hard to do that, right?126
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It is hard to do that.127
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So why do you think that's so hard?128
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I guess I was just taught to do everything
I can first and then give it up to God129
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when really I should be in prayer first
and giving it up to God 100%.130
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I think many times what we end up doing is
we we rely more on ourselves and God.131
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And that's absolutely
that's the wrong way to go.132
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What do you think, Wayne?133
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Well, as a father of two daughters, oh,134
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I learned early on I can't fix anything.135
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I can't even understand
most of what they're going through.136
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We were talking about.137
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So I mean, I try
and I fail, and I try and I fail.138
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But you keep trying, but I keep trying.139
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But instead of just giving it over,
I'm still trying.140
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Yeah. Parenting is not for the thin skin.141
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Oh man.142
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Every day there's 18 different challenges
and sometimes 118.143
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Oh gosh.144
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That's amazing.145
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Like, in fact,146
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parenting can definitely
make you feel like that for sure.147
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There's definitely an aching back moment.148
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But anyway, back on this,
an adaptive leader can help his team149
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find better solutions and solutions
that are outside the box.150
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And then when they get better at it,151
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then maybe they can become the leader
and take over for the adaptive leader.152
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Yeah, I think what happens,
I think we sometimes have a hard time153
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letting someone else do something
we think we can do better.154
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Oh, sure we do.155
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That's a big problem,156
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and I think we need to understand that
if we think we can do better,157
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we teach them how
we think we can do better158
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so they can help us
so they can even do better than us.159
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That's.160
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I think if we're two mentors,
we want them to get better than we are161
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because we're truly investing in them.162
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Yes, that's an issue.163
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I think with a lot of people,
we don't want to invest in people164
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because we're happy with who we are
and we don't want to grow.165
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We don't want to put that out
for anybody else.166
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And you're exactly
we don't want to practice.167
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We don't.
We don't want to be second fiddle. No.168
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No. Yeah.169
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first fiddle or no for the last one.170
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Yeah. Yeah, I got you.171
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So as a leader, there's really only
three types of challenges you face.172
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one type is not really suited for adaptive
leadership, and we'll go over that.173
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The other two types are very particularly
suited for adaptive leadership.174
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The first type of challenge that you face
as a leader is a technical challenge.175
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Technical challenges
generally don't need adaptive leadership,176
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as we said,
and they usually have a known solution.177
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For example, during the178
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pandemic, many churches
had to begin online services.179
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In this case,
the problem is easy to identify,180
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and the solution is obvious
and achievable.181
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Steve, what do you think
most churches did during that time?182
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Well, I think some churches,
I don't want to say they gave up,183
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but they
they just kind of quit a little bit.184
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And I don't mean that mean.185
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And I think for a few weeks,186
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we at Christchurch
even dealt with that a little bit.187
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And then we both mean Jeff,
who is one of our leaders188
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and Gerald,
we both decided, you know, we can't stop.189
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We've got to get190
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we've got to put something out there
and we started really working on our191
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online presence.192
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And I feel like we do that pretty good
and it's something that we try193
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to work hard at.194
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What do you think, Dave?195
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You may not know this,
but I have had so many people196
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contact me and tell me
that they have watched the sermons.197
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They have watched Christ Church
and we have people that show up at church198
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because they watch that.199
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In fact, we have
you had a Bible study class not long ago,200
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and I think of the class,
it was probably 40% of the people201
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in that class were there
because of the online sermons, right?202
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And I think the problem with
that is once this thing's over,203
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we think we need to equip.
But there's still people at home. Yes.204
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And you know, Jeff and I both agree.205
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Jeff Gaines and I both agree206
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that we got to really invest in that
because we feel like people are watching.207
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And so it's important to us both.208
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It's been such a blessing.209
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We thought we were struggling
through something,210
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but it's been such a blessing
and it's really paid off211
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in dividends with new people coming.
Yeah, 100%.212
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And our church has grown in this process
and I'm not bragging.213
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It's just a blessing where other churches
have gone the other way.214
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And you know, we did.215
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We lose people. Absolutely, we did.216
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But we also gained a whole different group
that thought, you know, we're trying217
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and they wanted to be a part
of what we're trying to do.218
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Yes, yes.219
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So that was a good example
of a technical problem. OK.220
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Another type of problem is an
adaptive problem or an adaptive challenge.221
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These are the ones that are not clear cut,
and they can't really be solved222
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by the usual ways of doing things
in an organization.223
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These challenges are difficult to solve
because they usually require a change224
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in a person's priorities, roles
or maybe even values, and they require225
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leaders who encourage others to identify
problems and implement solutions.226
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So Wayne, when you have someone
that you need to encourage to change,227
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how do you go about that
in a positive, encouraging way?228
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Well, I start with positive
and encouraging comment.229
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That's good because not I don't know,
a person who doesn't have one230
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positive thing that they contribute
at work, at church, in fringe circles.231
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So we start there and I think part of232
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adaptive leadership,
maybe a big part of it is perspective.233
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Yes. Been able to distance yourself234
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from the situation and not just the
and not distant yourself from the person.235
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You're exactly right.236
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We will get to that. But that's beautiful.237
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Yeah, it's right on target.
And I think it's important.238
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You know, I grew up with a guy
named Brewster was my youth minister,239
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which is a funny name.240
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But he he never said negative things,
hardly ever.241
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And he was always something
positive and encouraging.242
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And I thought, Man,
I don't want to be like that.243
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And I think, Chris, you're good at that.244
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I great. You look for that in people.245
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And I think sometimes
we tend to look for the negative people246
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because we know they're going to have it
and it's there in everyone.247
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It's a decision that you wake up every day
and say,248
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I want to find something positive
in someone and encourage249
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that behavior, and hopefully it will help
other behaviors.250
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Yes, hopefully beautiful, right?251
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You can preach on that. That's beautiful.
All right.252
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Here we go.253
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All right.254
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The third type of challenge is easily
enough.255
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A combination of the two.256
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It's technical and adaptive.257
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These challenges can be clearly defined,
but they don't have a straightforward258
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solution in these cases.259
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The Leader X a support for the team,260
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but the team has to solve the issues
by learning to change and adapt.261
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Our church was designated to use small
groups to meet weekly for the Bible study.262
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They, being the pastor, allowed the group
to set up their own meeting263
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schedule and study method.264
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And I can say from experience
that I genuinely love my group.265
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I formed a bond with every person
in the group, and I feel like266
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I really know these people
and I deeply care about them.267
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So instead of a study group,
this feels more like a group of friends.268
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And by the way,
we have ten adults and nine kids.269
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When we get together weekly
and we enjoy each other's company.270
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Wayne is the leader of my study group
and he has done a phenomenal job271
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of keeping us together and giving us ways
to learn more about each other.272
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What do you think about our group?
I think it's great.273
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I mean, we've moved into this level
of connection274
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that is more familial than an acquaintance
or even good friends.275
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Oh yeah, we really have.276
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I genuinely care about these people.277
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We talk, we text all the time.278
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We've always got something going
on. It's we do.279
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We pray for each other.280
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It's just a wonderful group.281
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It takes effort to do that, though.282
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You have to realize you may not get to
watch your favorite show on Monday night.283
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We can record these things now, by
the way, but it's just, well, you got to284
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you got to really put forth effort
and say, I want to be with those people.285
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And the problem is
sometimes we may not feel that.286
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But the more you try to just do it
and work at it,287
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you'll find like what
these two guys are telling me right now.288
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God blesses
you tenfold when you invest in people.289
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Yes, some of you are listening to this.290
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So well, that's not my gift.291
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Well, yes, it is,
because God created us all292
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to be here for each other
and because of technology,293
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because of life,
because of whatever it is.294
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Yes, we tend to stay away from loving
people and we've missed the boat we have.295
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We really have.296
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Oh, you've done
it now. Here comes. Oh, wow.297
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Yeah, well, I298
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know, and I want to just say again,
I really love our group.299
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We meet on Tuesdays,
and I look forward to that all week long.300
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We have such a wonderful time.301
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But here's the question
how do adaptive leaders do what they do?302
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There's only six steps to this303
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and anyone can do this,
and the first one has a great name.304
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I actually love this.305
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The step one of being an adaptive
leader is get out on the balcony,306
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get on the balcony is a metaphor
for getting out of the fray307
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and finding a perspective
during a challenging situation.308
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That's really good.309
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Imagine that your team is on the dance
floor and getting on the balcony as a way310
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for you to get away from the noise
and the chaos,311
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and allows you to get a much clearer view
of what's going on.312
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I think that's important.313
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I think perspective is everything.
Absolutely.314
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The problem is we stay in one perspective.315
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We don't ever get a chance to see it in
another way.316
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When you see something through someone
else's eyes, it changes your whole thing.317
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And it was just like yesterday,
my my son had Special Olympics. Yes.318
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And when you were there
seeing those young people319
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just giving it all, they had love in it.320
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When their name was announced,
they put their hands in the air.321
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Love that they laughed. They giggled.322
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And I think that's life and way,323
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and I got to experience that together
because he came to watch my son play.324
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That's all that.325
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It's an investment326
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that I'll never forget that he did that,
that means the world to me and327
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and I think it meant something to Steve
and now he just said thanks, but328
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I think he really meant thank you so much.329
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And Steve is just working on that.330
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Oh, yeah.331
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But but I think it's really important
that we do that with each other.332
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And there's opportunity.333
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Wayne is really good at this.334
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Yes, because I see that is that he is
and he loves it when I brag on him.335
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one of the best I know he didn't know,
but but see, I think he.336
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I mean,
he'll come up to anyone in our church337
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and just say,
How are you doing? What's going on?338
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And that's something
I've always tried to do as well.339
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And I just think that's a blessing340
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when you go after that full on trying
to just love people where they are.341
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It is. It absolutely is.342
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You know, Wayne,
you minutes. You mentioned perspective.343
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Is there something you do at work
quite a bit after?344
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Is that something learned or is this
something that came to you normally?345
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Yes, it's a little column
little of Columbia.346
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So it's like, Yes,347
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it's one of those things
where I took a promotion in our company348
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several years ago, where I had to
teach myself to be able to talk to people349
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and to think of questions to ask
just to be engaging350
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because my job
was more relational at that point.351
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But once I got to the department
that I'm in now352
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and have people that report to me,
everything had to change a little bit353
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because I couldn't
get into the nuts and bolts of everything354
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because my guys run my department
and as they go , so go out very good.355
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You had no idea
you were becoming an adaptive leader.356
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They ended, you know?357
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So how does a leader get on the balcony?358
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I've got a few suggestions,
and maybe you guys have more.359
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Take some quiet time. Take a step back.360
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Just take a breath.361
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Relax and get a fresh perspective.362
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Or you can form a group of advisors
unofficially of people you trust363
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who will give you their opinion,
whether right364
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or wrong, about a situation
and attend a meeting as an observer.365
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Don't contribute.366
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Just sit back and listen to what367
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the people on your team have to say. It
a different point of view about this.368
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I think those are really, really good.369
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And I think on that second one,370
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I think we have to make sure
that we're accountable to each other.371
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And that's a good one. Yes.372
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And I think in doing that,
that means that I have to let373
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you know that I messed up or I have issues
or that I got to work on this.374
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Or the funny thing
is, when you tell someone375
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that you have an issue,
they probably already knew it.376
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You're right.377
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I agree. So you just got to be honest378
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and be who you are
and who God created you to be. Yes.379
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So step two, in being an adaptive leader,
it sounds easy380
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enough, and it actually is kind of easy
if you follow.381
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Step one is to identify
the adaptive challenges382
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you have to identify and diagnose
the three types of challenges.383
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If you remember, those are technical,
adaptive or technical and adaptive,384
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and you do this from the balcony.385
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The leader takes
a different point of view,386
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and this will make the challenges
a lot easier to identify.387
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So step one Get on the balcony, step
to identify the challenges.388
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Step three is extremely important,
and this is one most leaders don't do.389
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Step three is to regulate distress.390
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Psychologically,
we all have a need for consistency.391
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It's hardwired into us.392
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It's so much easier to make crucial
decisions when an individual is relaxed393
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and comfortable,394
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and adaptive leaders need to monitor
the stress of the people on their teams395
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and keep it within a productive range
and even try to regulate it.396
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And they can do this by providing
direction, not telling the team397
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how to get there, but giving them
just a general idea of how to get there.398
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They can also do this by providing
protection, saying This is a safe zone.399
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You're free to make mistakes here.400
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I will protect you.401
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They can do conflict management.402
00:18:57,236 --> 00:18:58,337
Or here's my favorite.403
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Create a holding environment.404
00:19:00,672 --> 00:19:02,641
Now what's a holding environment?405
00:19:02,641 --> 00:19:04,676
I've got a question for both you guys.
I don't know.406
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Do you both know how to swim?407
00:19:06,111 --> 00:19:07,446
Yes. Yes.408
00:19:07,446 --> 00:19:08,780
Now, when you were taught to swim,409
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were you thrown in or did someone hold
you and say, Move your arms?410
00:19:12,618 --> 00:19:14,953
You're safe? Don't worry. Now
kick your leg.411
00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:15,821
See how you do that.412
00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:17,990
This is how you lead. I'm holding
you here.413
00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:20,492
You're safe to make mistakes
and you're safe to practice.414
00:19:20,492 --> 00:19:22,127
That's a holding environment.415
00:19:22,127 --> 00:19:24,329
Yeah. Are you asking us
that happened to us?416
00:19:24,696 --> 00:19:27,332
Well, I hope you weren't thrown in,
but were you?417
00:19:27,332 --> 00:19:29,968
Oh no, I may have been a little thrown in.418
00:19:29,968 --> 00:19:30,736
And then,419
00:19:30,736 --> 00:19:34,973
you know, my mom ended up helping me,
but dad's like he'll learn how to do it.420
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My God,421
00:19:36,775 --> 00:19:37,609
did you422
00:19:40,579 --> 00:19:42,047
know I did?423
00:19:42,981 --> 00:19:43,949
So how does that work?424
00:19:43,949 --> 00:19:45,851
I've got to ask, how did that work?425
00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:47,319
Eventually, I learned how.426
00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:52,824
I guess I watched people and I ended up
being on my swim team, which was fun.427
00:19:52,925 --> 00:19:53,859
That's awesome.428
00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:56,328
Yeah, me in a speedo,
something very exciting.429
00:19:56,662 --> 00:19:58,830
Hey, that's a thought I didn't need.430
00:19:58,830 --> 00:19:59,798
Thank you.431
00:19:59,798 --> 00:20:01,667
Thank you. Wayne, how did you learn?432
00:20:01,667 --> 00:20:03,001
I was probably 20.433
00:20:03,001 --> 00:20:05,404
Wow. Or 24? Wow.434
00:20:05,604 --> 00:20:07,673
And I was a camp counselor at Wesley
Woods.435
00:20:07,673 --> 00:20:08,840
Wonderful. Yeah.436
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,909
Yes. Well, the deep end is six feet.437
00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:12,277
I'm not six feet now.438
00:20:12,277 --> 00:20:14,179
All the kids jump on you.439
00:20:14,179 --> 00:20:16,148
Oh no. Oh, like.440
00:20:16,148 --> 00:20:18,217
So he had the same experience.441
00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:20,552
You're right. That's442
00:20:20,619 --> 00:20:24,189
that's the way we should learn
how to do a man way and learn a little bit443
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different way, the way I took swimming
lessons and I had a great lifeguard444
00:20:28,093 --> 00:20:31,330
who would hold me in the water
and I wasn't underwater,445
00:20:31,330 --> 00:20:34,533
but I learned how to use my arms
and my legs and put it all together.446
00:20:34,666 --> 00:20:36,401
Do you have her name? I anymore?447
00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:40,239
No, we've lost touch over the years.448
00:20:40,239 --> 00:20:44,676
You get to say, sorry, I digress.449
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:49,414
So, OK, step
four is to maintain disciplined attention.450
00:20:49,448 --> 00:20:50,382
The adaptive leader451
00:20:50,382 --> 00:20:53,919
needs to continually encourage people
to focus on difficult tasks.452
00:20:53,952 --> 00:20:55,087
Now, difficult tasks453
00:20:55,087 --> 00:20:59,057
typically doesn't come easy
for people to focus on if it's difficult.454
00:20:59,391 --> 00:21:01,760
You don't want to think about it.
You certainly don't want to focus on it.455
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,030
You want to think about something easy
or just forget about it altogether.456
00:21:05,030 --> 00:21:08,934
But it's the job of the leader
to have the team focus on the task457
00:21:09,134 --> 00:21:11,470
and keep them oriented
and direct it on the goal.458
00:21:11,503 --> 00:21:17,476
So when that goal is a fun, enjoyable
thing, it's easier to give on on tasks.459
00:21:17,809 --> 00:21:20,512
How do you go about doing it
when when it's something that's460
00:21:20,512 --> 00:21:23,982
just heavy and hard and overwhelming?461
00:21:24,449 --> 00:21:25,417
I'm just throwing that out.462
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There's a lot of different ways
to do that,463
00:21:26,918 --> 00:21:28,620
and I want to get Wayne's opinion
after this.464
00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:33,091
But my way is I set up milestones and
I know that they're going to be reported.465
00:21:33,358 --> 00:21:36,728
I'll meet with them before each meeting
and say, I'm going to bring this up.466
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:38,530
How far along are you?467
00:21:38,530 --> 00:21:41,166
And they'll say,
we're at x y z or we haven't looked at it468
00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:44,269
or we're considering
which way we want to go .469
00:21:44,269 --> 00:21:45,737
And I'll say, OK,
give me a report on this.470
00:21:45,737 --> 00:21:49,107
And by next week, I want you to have
two more steps into this471
00:21:49,541 --> 00:21:52,311
so that they can take the bite
out of the proverbial elephant.472
00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:55,681
And it makes it a manageable opportunity
for everyone.473
00:21:55,881 --> 00:21:56,348
Gotcha.474
00:21:56,348 --> 00:21:58,183
Wayne's laughing.
So we might be in trouble.475
00:21:58,183 --> 00:22:00,252
Oh no.476
00:22:00,252 --> 00:22:05,924
So what I try to do
is put myself in their position477
00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:09,294
very good and not just metaphorically478
00:22:09,294 --> 00:22:13,332
for a talking point,
but if it is a multi-step project,479
00:22:13,365 --> 00:22:17,502
I'll try to help them
look at it from kind of the end goal.480
00:22:17,569 --> 00:22:20,639
So you don't do this for them,
just give them a different perspective.481
00:22:21,139 --> 00:22:25,477
Yes, and I don't dictate how it looks.482
00:22:25,744 --> 00:22:28,580
It's like you like,
I need this information.483
00:22:28,580 --> 00:22:29,448
I don't really care484
00:22:29,448 --> 00:22:33,385
how you get it or what it looks like,
as long as it's all very good.485
00:22:33,385 --> 00:22:36,455
So they have a lot of freedom, you know,
and that really leads us into step486
00:22:36,455 --> 00:22:39,524
five and step five
is where a lot of leaders get tripped up.487
00:22:39,558 --> 00:22:42,361
Step five is to give the work
back to the people.488
00:22:42,494 --> 00:22:43,495
A lot of leaders489
00:22:43,495 --> 00:22:47,466
think that no one's as good as me
or I can do this the way I want to do so.490
00:22:47,466 --> 00:22:48,467
I'm just going to do it.491
00:22:48,467 --> 00:22:50,669
But that doesn't help your team
grow at all.492
00:22:50,669 --> 00:22:52,337
That doesn't help them mature.493
00:22:52,337 --> 00:22:54,272
It doesn't teach them
how to make decisions.494
00:22:54,272 --> 00:22:56,942
No, the leader wants to provide
direction and structure,495
00:22:56,942 --> 00:22:58,877
and the team wants to feel secure
in what they're doing.496
00:22:58,877 --> 00:23:01,646
But the team also wants to feel like
they're a part of the problem497
00:23:01,646 --> 00:23:04,683
solving and overly
directive leaders can result in people498
00:23:04,683 --> 00:23:08,186
being dependent on the leader
and inhibiting them from doing their work.499
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:11,056
I think we all know leaders
that do this, don't we? Absolutely.500
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And the last step step
six is to protect the people on your team,501
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,995
even the voices below
the people on your team.502
00:23:16,995 --> 00:23:21,199
The adaptive leader must be open to
ideas of people who may be on the fringe,503
00:23:21,199 --> 00:23:25,170
marginalized or maybe even considered
deviants in the group of the organization.504
00:23:25,203 --> 00:23:27,339
Be open to the ideas of low status505
00:23:27,339 --> 00:23:30,876
individuals who may not express themselves
very effectively.506
00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:34,813
It's challenging because it's disruptive
to the normal way of doing things,507
00:23:34,813 --> 00:23:37,849
but the adaptive leader truly considers
all opinions.508
00:23:38,183 --> 00:23:40,819
A yeah, that's hard, though, and can be,509
00:23:40,952 --> 00:23:43,655
especially when that opinion goes against
what's yours is.510
00:23:43,989 --> 00:23:46,925
And I guess the idea is not to prejudge
someone.511
00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:49,861
Here comes this person.
They never have a good idea, right?512
00:23:49,861 --> 00:23:53,698
But if you really give them an honest
listen, maybe they do have good ideas.513
00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:55,434
Absolutely.514
00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,570
Well, and it's a different perspective,
and that's what you've been teaching515
00:23:58,570 --> 00:24:01,807
the whole time.
The key is perspective 100%.516
00:24:02,073 --> 00:24:04,576
So here are the strengths of active
leadership.517
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:07,913
In contrast to all other leadership
theories,518
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:10,882
active leadership
takes a process approach.519
00:24:11,283 --> 00:24:14,653
The leadership is a complex transaction
between the leaders and followers,520
00:24:14,653 --> 00:24:17,989
but there step by step
how to do adaptive leadership?521
00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:20,859
Adaptive leadership is follower centered.522
00:24:20,892 --> 00:24:24,496
Adaptive leaders can mobilize people
and engage them in an adaptive work,523
00:24:24,529 --> 00:24:26,631
and another one is it helps followers deal524
00:24:26,631 --> 00:24:30,402
with conflicting values that emerge
when the work environments change.525
00:24:30,435 --> 00:24:31,503
Adaptive leadership526
00:24:31,503 --> 00:24:35,474
prescribes good leadership behaviors
even if you don't have a great outcome.527
00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:37,909
If you follow the steps, you're
a good leader,528
00:24:37,943 --> 00:24:40,812
you're doing good leadership,
and the last one was my favorite.529
00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:44,149
It contributes the concept
of a holding environment as an integral530
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:47,385
part of the leadership process,
giving a safe place for your people,531
00:24:47,385 --> 00:24:50,956
your team to try leadership
like we used in the swimming example.532
00:24:50,956 --> 00:24:52,824
Where you're safe,
you're not going to drown,533
00:24:52,824 --> 00:24:56,127
and you get to slowly learn
how to do what you need to do, I man.534
00:24:56,595 --> 00:25:00,932
And I think one of the things
that we need to always work on535
00:25:00,932 --> 00:25:05,003
is is trust in the process, trusting,
you know, one of the things I love.536
00:25:05,704 --> 00:25:09,741
And if out of all the ones that we've been
teaching, I love servant leadership.537
00:25:10,675 --> 00:25:12,110
I identify with that one the most.538
00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:12,878
Yeah, me too.539
00:25:12,878 --> 00:25:17,115
But I think there is parts of each one
that we can take from and learn about.540
00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:19,317
And try to try to adapt.541
00:25:19,317 --> 00:25:20,752
So what I did there, I love it.542
00:25:20,752 --> 00:25:24,022
Things you and I worked at in the rank
you, I'll be here,543
00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:25,991
but we love it544
00:25:27,425 --> 00:25:28,894
when you got something.545
00:25:28,894 --> 00:25:32,631
I saw you writing well,
the strength that I try most546
00:25:32,631 --> 00:25:35,634
in my department to offer is a safe space.547
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,138
Very good because as good, I've never
thought the smartest person in the room.548
00:25:40,138 --> 00:25:40,972
Very good.549
00:25:40,972 --> 00:25:44,976
And I just want people
who have differing personalities550
00:25:44,976 --> 00:25:48,179
to be able to say what they want
so that they're heard551
00:25:48,213 --> 00:25:50,949
and it's not just out of lip service
to them. It's wonderful.552
00:25:50,949 --> 00:25:51,883
They've got good ideas.553
00:25:51,883 --> 00:25:53,285
Yes, they do. And I'm554
00:25:53,285 --> 00:25:57,088
sure the people in your team appreciate
that a safe space is so valuable.555
00:25:57,122 --> 00:25:57,789
Hey, man.556
00:25:57,789 --> 00:26:02,827
So here are the criticisms of
adaptive leadership because it's new 1994.557
00:26:02,861 --> 00:26:05,263
There's been very
little empirical research,558
00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:08,333
and none of the tests have been conducted
thoroughly.559
00:26:08,333 --> 00:26:10,335
To prove or evaluate the claim.560
00:26:10,335 --> 00:26:14,172
The model needs to be redefined,
and the relationships between the factors561
00:26:14,172 --> 00:26:15,974
must be clarified.562
00:26:15,974 --> 00:26:18,109
In other words, we think it works.563
00:26:18,109 --> 00:26:20,645
We've got evidence
it works, but we don't know how it works.564
00:26:21,179 --> 00:26:23,315
And the last one is adaptive.565
00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:25,250
Leadership is very wide ranging.566
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:26,551
It can be a little abstract.567
00:26:26,551 --> 00:26:28,720
It can be a little hard to do sometimes.568
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,023
Romans twelve nine through ten from569
00:26:32,023 --> 00:26:35,393
the message says this love from the center
of who you are.570
00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:38,063
Don't forget, run for dear life from evil.571
00:26:38,363 --> 00:26:40,599
Hold on for dear life to good.572
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:44,269
Be good friends who love deeply practiced
playing second fiddle.573
00:26:44,869 --> 00:26:47,238
Oh, practice playing second fiddle.
I love that.574
00:26:47,238 --> 00:26:50,275
Yeah, that's from the message,
and I love that as well.575
00:26:51,042 --> 00:26:52,777
Wayne, before we close, you got anything.576
00:26:52,777 --> 00:26:55,046
Now I think you all said everything. Good.577
00:26:55,213 --> 00:26:57,582
Got all the answers.
Anything else for me, brother?578
00:26:57,849 --> 00:26:59,618
Well,
I really love that second fiddle thing.579
00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:02,454
A good adaptive leader
should let the team take charge580
00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:04,122
and he should practice playing
second fiddle.581
00:27:04,122 --> 00:27:06,658
That's beautiful and you love
from the center of who you are.582
00:27:06,658 --> 00:27:10,295
You can play, you can practice playing
second fiddle music for me to say,583
00:27:10,595 --> 00:27:12,664
Hey, guys, have a great week.584
00:27:12,664 --> 00:27:15,734
Yeah, any questions about who we are
or what we do?585
00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:17,502
Make sure you check our website.586
00:27:17,502 --> 00:27:20,038
We'll get
we'll try to get a picture of Wayne up.587
00:27:20,038 --> 00:27:22,207
I thought it'd be cool
just to put his head like over us588
00:27:22,207 --> 00:27:24,409
somewhere,
which would be, Yeah, I'll do that.589
00:27:24,442 --> 00:27:27,178
But we're so glad that Wayne's
hanging out with this.590
00:27:27,212 --> 00:27:29,381
We're so thankful that you're listening.591
00:27:29,381 --> 00:27:31,516
Please let us know how we can bless you.592
00:27:31,516 --> 00:27:33,051
Have a great week. God bless.593
00:27:35,420 --> 00:27:36,187
This is an594
00:27:36,187 --> 00:27:39,991
LBC production which stands for pounds,
if you knew that or not,595
00:27:39,991 --> 00:27:43,662
but it also stands for laughing
because we're safe.596
00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:47,298
But we kind of like the pound,
so Chris will lift them597
00:27:47,298 --> 00:27:50,368
and I will gain them
and we will have a great time.598
00:27:50,368 --> 00:27:51,136
Thanks for listening.
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