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1 00:00:18,418 --> 00:00:20,587 This is Lead 12:12,2 00:00:20,954 --> 00:00:26,259 a podcast on Christ centered leadership based on Romans 12:12, rejoice and hope.3 00:00:26,459 --> 00:00:29,562 Be patient and tribulation, be constant in prayer.4 00:00:30,063 --> 00:00:31,297 Thanks for listening.5 00:00:31,297 --> 00:00:33,800 Now here's Chris and Dave.6 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,002 Hey, everybody! How are you doing?7 00:00:36,069 --> 00:00:37,504 We're back.8 00:00:37,704 --> 00:00:39,672 I think that's a good thing. What do you think, Chris?9 00:00:39,672 --> 00:00:41,641 We're here. Wayne's with us today.10 00:00:41,641 --> 00:00:44,277 What do you think, Wayne? It's good. Good to have you.11 00:00:44,310 --> 00:00:46,513 I don't know if I believe Wayne on that one.12 00:00:46,513 --> 00:00:47,580 Very convincing.13 00:00:47,580 --> 00:00:48,782 He's good.14 00:00:48,782 --> 00:00:49,783 All right. That's OK.15 00:00:49,783 --> 00:00:51,418 We love Wayne.16 00:00:51,451 --> 00:00:53,620 C.S. Lewis said this to be a Christian means17 00:00:53,620 --> 00:00:57,590 to forgive the inexcusable because God has forgiven the inexcusable.18 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:58,925 And you owe that.19 00:00:58,925 --> 00:00:59,826 I love that C.S.20 00:00:59,826 --> 00:01:01,995 Lewis is one of my favorite authors of all time,21 00:01:01,995 --> 00:01:04,197 and that's just one of many things from him. Yeah.22 00:01:04,431 --> 00:01:09,469 And so as we talk today about adaptive leadership, adaptive leadership, yes,23 00:01:09,836 --> 00:01:13,139 I'm excited to see how God is going to remind us24 00:01:13,373 --> 00:01:16,242 how we're constantly in a changing process25 00:01:16,242 --> 00:01:19,612 and a growing process and mentoring process.26 00:01:19,612 --> 00:01:22,248 Easy for me to say. I don't know if I said it very well.27 00:01:22,315 --> 00:01:24,451 You nailed it. But I tried so hard.28 00:01:24,451 --> 00:01:28,488 Mentoring did not sound like that, but anyway, you make.29 00:01:29,155 --> 00:01:32,492 Ladies and gentlemen, please tip your waiters and waitresses, you know?30 00:01:33,193 --> 00:01:34,527 Oh yeah, OK.31 00:01:34,527 --> 00:01:36,029 Amy, so OK.32 00:01:36,029 --> 00:01:38,164 What is adaptive leadership?33 00:01:38,231 --> 00:01:40,066 As the title suggests, adaptive34 00:01:40,066 --> 00:01:43,903 leadership is concerned with how leaders encourage people to adapt,35 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:47,640 how to confront and overcome problems, challenges and changes.36 00:01:47,807 --> 00:01:51,444 Adaptive leadership is concerned with individuals adjustments in response37 00:01:51,444 --> 00:01:55,381 to changing environments, and I guess in simplest terms, adaptive leaders38 00:01:55,381 --> 00:01:58,551 prepare and assist people in adjusting to change.39 00:01:58,585 --> 00:02:00,720 Does that make sense? Does make sense.40 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,357 So this is something these are steps that leaders can take to help the people41 00:02:04,357 --> 00:02:07,360 that work for them, to work with them, achieve change42 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,865 and be able to tackle problems and issues that they normally could not.43 00:02:12,031 --> 00:02:12,599 Gotcha.44 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:17,670 Adaptive leadership was first developed by a man named High Fitz way back in 1994.45 00:02:18,004 --> 00:02:20,440 Maybe way back to some people, but it seems like yesterday to me.46 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,876 Yup. Me too.47 00:02:22,909 --> 00:02:25,712 The name of his book was leadership without easy answers,48 00:02:25,712 --> 00:02:29,249 and it's been used effectively to teach leaders everywhere to encourage49 00:02:29,249 --> 00:02:32,819 change across multiple levels, including society community .50 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:36,156 This is very good for nonprofit and churches,51 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:38,424 and even for change with yourself.52 00:02:38,591 --> 00:02:40,260 You know, Dave and Wayne, one of the things I like53 00:02:40,260 --> 00:02:43,763 best about adaptive leadership is it's not leader centered.54 00:02:43,763 --> 00:02:48,101 It's not about the leader and what he can do, how great a person he is.55 00:02:48,101 --> 00:02:50,270 I should say it has been thought of that way,56 00:02:50,270 --> 00:02:54,507 but adaptive leadership focuses on how the leader helps others do the work57 00:02:54,507 --> 00:02:58,278 they need to do to adapt to the challenges that they face.58 00:02:58,344 --> 00:03:00,947 It makes sense. So essentially, you're making people better.59 00:03:00,980 --> 00:03:04,450 Yeah, you're trying to mentor people is what kind of what I've gotten out of this?60 00:03:04,551 --> 00:03:05,418 Absolutely.61 00:03:05,418 --> 00:03:05,985 That's it.62 00:03:05,985 --> 00:03:09,289 You try to what's a good word when you try to?63 00:03:09,322 --> 00:03:12,325 You try to put forth effort into other people64 00:03:12,525 --> 00:03:16,362 so that they may be blessed and they can go out and bless others and work together.65 00:03:16,462 --> 00:03:17,163 That makes sense.66 00:03:17,163 --> 00:03:18,331 That's a perfect example.67 00:03:18,331 --> 00:03:18,932 Thanks.68 00:03:18,932 --> 00:03:21,768 I get out every once in a while to you're a leader in your organization.69 00:03:21,768 --> 00:03:24,470 Do you ever use adaptive leadership all the time?70 00:03:24,504 --> 00:03:26,573 So you knew what that phrase meant?71 00:03:26,573 --> 00:03:28,575 You do it. You just didn't know what the term was.72 00:03:28,575 --> 00:03:31,844 Yeah, because in my job, you know, I've got six people73 00:03:31,844 --> 00:03:35,248 that report to me and I don't want to do the jobs of six people. No.74 00:03:35,582 --> 00:03:38,251 And I want those people to be able75 00:03:38,251 --> 00:03:41,421 to deal with changes in our organization as they come out76 00:03:41,454 --> 00:03:44,791 and not always have to go to someone's right to figure something out.77 00:03:45,024 --> 00:03:46,192 Yes, I think, you know,78 00:03:46,192 --> 00:03:51,531 selfishly is a better reflection on a leader and followers who are leaders.79 00:03:51,531 --> 00:03:55,235 Yes, to leaders and just to have the market cornered.80 00:03:55,468 --> 00:03:56,569 I think you said that.81 00:03:56,569 --> 00:03:58,338 Yeah, there we go. Ladies and gentlemen,82 00:04:01,140 --> 00:04:02,842 let's get it up for Wayne.83 00:04:02,842 --> 00:04:04,077 Yes, sir.84 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:05,678 So guys, correct me if I'm wrong.85 00:04:05,678 --> 00:04:10,450 But every company, organization, church, anything that you can imagine faces86 00:04:10,450 --> 00:04:12,552 chronic recurring issues.87 00:04:12,552 --> 00:04:16,189 And when you get those same issues and problems over and over again,88 00:04:16,189 --> 00:04:17,490 what happens?89 00:04:17,490 --> 00:04:20,793 The people in charge try to do the same old things every time.90 00:04:21,127 --> 00:04:24,631 Sometimes they try to use new technology, or sometimes they may even try to recruit91 00:04:24,631 --> 00:04:29,769 an expert or streamline something a communication process or procedure.92 00:04:29,769 --> 00:04:33,072 But the same problem seems to come back every time.93 00:04:33,139 --> 00:04:33,973 That's right.94 00:04:33,973 --> 00:04:37,143 That's frustrating as a leader when you feel like you're not really95 00:04:37,143 --> 00:04:40,013 getting the most out of someone, and it's just frustrating96 00:04:40,013 --> 00:04:42,949 and it's hard to work with that and it's hard to deal with that.97 00:04:42,949 --> 00:04:44,417 You think you're absolutely right?98 00:04:44,417 --> 00:04:46,552 Dave, do you think Jesus ever felt that way?99 00:04:46,552 --> 00:04:47,553 Oh, man.100 00:04:48,721 --> 00:04:51,024 So I take that from a personal perspective.101 00:04:51,557 --> 00:04:53,660 Does Jesus ever feel that way with me?102 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,261 He does with me daily, I'm sure.103 00:04:55,261 --> 00:04:58,831 Yeah, and there's times when I think I'm on the right path and I think times104 00:04:58,831 --> 00:05:02,669 when I think he needs to hit me in the back of the head,105 00:05:02,669 --> 00:05:04,337 so does Amy.106 00:05:04,437 --> 00:05:08,641 So in the other double, yeah, thank you.107 00:05:08,908 --> 00:05:11,511 So it's important, though, that you understand108 00:05:11,511 --> 00:05:14,681 that Jesus knows what you're doing and who you are,109 00:05:14,681 --> 00:05:17,850 and he knows your mess and he loves you even in your messiness.110 00:05:17,850 --> 00:05:18,451 So you need.111 00:05:18,451 --> 00:05:19,619 Give that over to him.112 00:05:19,619 --> 00:05:22,322 Get real with him, get honest with him and watch what you can do three.113 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:24,324 Oh, that's so true. That is beautiful, too.114 00:05:24,357 --> 00:05:27,427 You know, I've got a life example I want to share with that.115 00:05:27,427 --> 00:05:28,761 A while back, I love dogs.116 00:05:28,761 --> 00:05:32,699 I had a dog that had been mistreated and it would buy people, but117 00:05:32,899 --> 00:05:34,100 we never gave it the chance.118 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:36,569 I would keep it away from every one and every time119 00:05:36,569 --> 00:05:39,872 someone would come to visit, this dog would try to protect me120 00:05:39,872 --> 00:05:42,575 and try to get between me and the person like it was an invasion.121 00:05:42,575 --> 00:05:45,878 And I was thinking about that one day in the shower and I thought, you know,122 00:05:46,045 --> 00:05:51,451 if my dog would just relax and trust me, I won't let anything happen to him.123 00:05:51,751 --> 00:05:54,854 And then I thought, How many times has God thought out about me?124 00:05:55,455 --> 00:05:59,792 My goodness, if I just relax and trust him, he's going to take care of me.125 00:05:59,959 --> 00:06:02,161 Amen. But it's hard to do that, right?126 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:03,396 It is hard to do that.127 00:06:03,396 --> 00:06:05,264 So why do you think that's so hard?128 00:06:05,264 --> 00:06:09,335 I guess I was just taught to do everything I can first and then give it up to God129 00:06:09,335 --> 00:06:13,139 when really I should be in prayer first and giving it up to God 100%.130 00:06:13,172 --> 00:06:19,011 I think many times what we end up doing is we we rely more on ourselves and God.131 00:06:19,212 --> 00:06:21,981 And that's absolutely that's the wrong way to go.132 00:06:22,014 --> 00:06:23,449 What do you think, Wayne?133 00:06:23,449 --> 00:06:25,918 Well, as a father of two daughters, oh,134 00:06:26,285 --> 00:06:28,921 I learned early on I can't fix anything.135 00:06:29,155 --> 00:06:33,359 I can't even understand most of what they're going through.136 00:06:33,359 --> 00:06:34,627 We were talking about.137 00:06:34,627 --> 00:06:38,631 So I mean, I try and I fail, and I try and I fail.138 00:06:38,664 --> 00:06:41,334 But you keep trying, but I keep trying.139 00:06:41,334 --> 00:06:44,437 But instead of just giving it over, I'm still trying.140 00:06:44,604 --> 00:06:47,173 Yeah. Parenting is not for the thin skin.141 00:06:47,173 --> 00:06:48,408 Oh man.142 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:52,645 Every day there's 18 different challenges and sometimes 118.143 00:06:52,745 --> 00:06:53,312 Oh gosh.144 00:06:54,580 --> 00:06:55,915 That's amazing.145 00:06:56,082 --> 00:06:58,551 Like, in fact,146 00:06:58,551 --> 00:07:01,421 parenting can definitely make you feel like that for sure.147 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:03,322 There's definitely an aching back moment.148 00:07:03,322 --> 00:07:07,093 But anyway, back on this, an adaptive leader can help his team149 00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:10,930 find better solutions and solutions that are outside the box.150 00:07:10,963 --> 00:07:12,899 And then when they get better at it,151 00:07:12,899 --> 00:07:15,968 then maybe they can become the leader and take over for the adaptive leader.152 00:07:16,002 --> 00:07:19,372 Yeah, I think what happens, I think we sometimes have a hard time153 00:07:19,372 --> 00:07:22,675 letting someone else do something we think we can do better.154 00:07:22,708 --> 00:07:23,342 Oh, sure we do.155 00:07:23,342 --> 00:07:24,343 That's a big problem,156 00:07:24,343 --> 00:07:27,346 and I think we need to understand that if we think we can do better,157 00:07:27,346 --> 00:07:29,482 we teach them how we think we can do better158 00:07:29,482 --> 00:07:31,884 so they can help us so they can even do better than us.159 00:07:32,185 --> 00:07:32,685 That's.160 00:07:32,852 --> 00:07:36,355 I think if we're two mentors, we want them to get better than we are161 00:07:36,355 --> 00:07:38,624 because we're truly investing in them.162 00:07:38,691 --> 00:07:40,059 Yes, that's an issue.163 00:07:40,059 --> 00:07:42,795 I think with a lot of people, we don't want to invest in people164 00:07:42,795 --> 00:07:45,131 because we're happy with who we are and we don't want to grow.165 00:07:45,164 --> 00:07:47,233 We don't want to put that out for anybody else.166 00:07:47,233 --> 00:07:49,068 And you're exactly we don't want to practice.167 00:07:49,068 --> 00:07:51,070 We don't. We don't want to be second fiddle. No.168 00:07:51,270 --> 00:07:52,338 No. Yeah.169 00:07:52,338 --> 00:07:54,340 first fiddle or no for the last one.170 00:07:54,340 --> 00:07:56,242 Yeah. Yeah, I got you.171 00:07:56,242 --> 00:08:00,279 So as a leader, there's really only three types of challenges you face.172 00:08:00,413 --> 00:08:04,851 one type is not really suited for adaptive leadership, and we'll go over that.173 00:08:05,117 --> 00:08:09,789 The other two types are very particularly suited for adaptive leadership.174 00:08:10,256 --> 00:08:14,193 The first type of challenge that you face as a leader is a technical challenge.175 00:08:15,094 --> 00:08:18,731 Technical challenges generally don't need adaptive leadership,176 00:08:18,731 --> 00:08:21,801 as we said, and they usually have a known solution.177 00:08:22,935 --> 00:08:24,003 For example, during the178 00:08:24,003 --> 00:08:27,240 pandemic, many churches had to begin online services.179 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,308 In this case, the problem is easy to identify,180 00:08:29,308 --> 00:08:31,577 and the solution is obvious and achievable.181 00:08:31,577 --> 00:08:33,813 Steve, what do you think most churches did during that time?182 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,949 Well, I think some churches, I don't want to say they gave up,183 00:08:36,949 --> 00:08:39,585 but they they just kind of quit a little bit.184 00:08:40,186 --> 00:08:41,454 And I don't mean that mean.185 00:08:41,454 --> 00:08:42,955 And I think for a few weeks,186 00:08:42,955 --> 00:08:45,491 we at Christchurch even dealt with that a little bit.187 00:08:45,491 --> 00:08:48,694 And then we both mean Jeff, who is one of our leaders188 00:08:48,694 --> 00:08:52,064 and Gerald, we both decided, you know, we can't stop.189 00:08:52,064 --> 00:08:52,532 We've got to get190 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:56,269 we've got to put something out there and we started really working on our191 00:08:56,269 --> 00:08:57,403 online presence.192 00:08:57,403 --> 00:09:01,440 And I feel like we do that pretty good and it's something that we try193 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:02,141 to work hard at.194 00:09:02,141 --> 00:09:03,009 What do you think, Dave?195 00:09:03,009 --> 00:09:05,011 You may not know this, but I have had so many people196 00:09:05,011 --> 00:09:08,180 contact me and tell me that they have watched the sermons.197 00:09:08,414 --> 00:09:12,118 They have watched Christ Church and we have people that show up at church198 00:09:12,118 --> 00:09:13,319 because they watch that.199 00:09:13,319 --> 00:09:16,789 In fact, we have you had a Bible study class not long ago,200 00:09:16,789 --> 00:09:20,059 and I think of the class, it was probably 40% of the people201 00:09:20,059 --> 00:09:23,029 in that class were there because of the online sermons, right?202 00:09:23,062 --> 00:09:26,065 And I think the problem with that is once this thing's over,203 00:09:26,065 --> 00:09:28,668 we think we need to equip. But there's still people at home. Yes.204 00:09:28,668 --> 00:09:30,670 And you know, Jeff and I both agree.205 00:09:30,670 --> 00:09:32,271 Jeff Gaines and I both agree206 00:09:32,271 --> 00:09:36,342 that we got to really invest in that because we feel like people are watching.207 00:09:36,342 --> 00:09:38,611 And so it's important to us both.208 00:09:38,744 --> 00:09:39,812 It's been such a blessing.209 00:09:39,812 --> 00:09:41,414 We thought we were struggling through something,210 00:09:41,414 --> 00:09:43,783 but it's been such a blessing and it's really paid off211 00:09:43,783 --> 00:09:46,619 in dividends with new people coming. Yeah, 100%.212 00:09:46,619 --> 00:09:50,590 And our church has grown in this process and I'm not bragging.213 00:09:50,623 --> 00:09:53,826 It's just a blessing where other churches have gone the other way.214 00:09:53,826 --> 00:09:54,961 And you know, we did.215 00:09:54,961 --> 00:09:57,196 We lose people. Absolutely, we did.216 00:09:57,196 --> 00:10:01,000 But we also gained a whole different group that thought, you know, we're trying217 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,069 and they wanted to be a part of what we're trying to do.218 00:10:03,102 --> 00:10:04,203 Yes, yes.219 00:10:04,203 --> 00:10:06,772 So that was a good example of a technical problem. OK.220 00:10:06,806 --> 00:10:10,543 Another type of problem is an adaptive problem or an adaptive challenge.221 00:10:10,943 --> 00:10:14,246 These are the ones that are not clear cut, and they can't really be solved222 00:10:14,246 --> 00:10:17,350 by the usual ways of doing things in an organization.223 00:10:18,017 --> 00:10:21,621 These challenges are difficult to solve because they usually require a change224 00:10:21,621 --> 00:10:25,825 in a person's priorities, roles or maybe even values, and they require225 00:10:25,858 --> 00:10:30,162 leaders who encourage others to identify problems and implement solutions.226 00:10:30,496 --> 00:10:35,001 So Wayne, when you have someone that you need to encourage to change,227 00:10:35,067 --> 00:10:39,872 how do you go about that in a positive, encouraging way?228 00:10:40,006 --> 00:10:42,642 Well, I start with positive and encouraging comment.229 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:46,345 That's good because not I don't know, a person who doesn't have one230 00:10:46,345 --> 00:10:50,816 positive thing that they contribute at work, at church, in fringe circles.231 00:10:51,484 --> 00:10:54,587 So we start there and I think part of232 00:10:54,587 --> 00:10:57,590 adaptive leadership, maybe a big part of it is perspective.233 00:10:57,723 --> 00:11:00,593 Yes. Been able to distance yourself234 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,131 from the situation and not just the and not distant yourself from the person.235 00:11:05,131 --> 00:11:06,265 You're exactly right.236 00:11:06,265 --> 00:11:07,933 We will get to that. But that's beautiful.237 00:11:07,933 --> 00:11:10,836 Yeah, it's right on target. And I think it's important.238 00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:14,740 You know, I grew up with a guy named Brewster was my youth minister,239 00:11:14,807 --> 00:11:15,775 which is a funny name.240 00:11:15,775 --> 00:11:19,412 But he he never said negative things, hardly ever.241 00:11:19,412 --> 00:11:22,648 And he was always something positive and encouraging.242 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:24,617 And I thought, Man, I don't want to be like that.243 00:11:24,617 --> 00:11:27,053 And I think, Chris, you're good at that.244 00:11:27,219 --> 00:11:29,522 I great. You look for that in people.245 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:32,558 And I think sometimes we tend to look for the negative people246 00:11:32,558 --> 00:11:35,361 because we know they're going to have it and it's there in everyone.247 00:11:35,361 --> 00:11:38,097 It's a decision that you wake up every day and say,248 00:11:38,097 --> 00:11:41,300 I want to find something positive in someone and encourage249 00:11:41,300 --> 00:11:44,770 that behavior, and hopefully it will help other behaviors.250 00:11:44,804 --> 00:11:46,706 Yes, hopefully beautiful, right?251 00:11:46,706 --> 00:11:49,308 You can preach on that. That's beautiful. All right.252 00:11:49,442 --> 00:11:50,643 Here we go.253 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:51,477 All right.254 00:11:51,477 --> 00:11:54,113 The third type of challenge is easily enough.255 00:11:54,113 --> 00:11:55,247 A combination of the two.256 00:11:55,247 --> 00:11:57,416 It's technical and adaptive.257 00:11:57,416 --> 00:12:00,920 These challenges can be clearly defined, but they don't have a straightforward258 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,421 solution in these cases.259 00:12:02,421 --> 00:12:04,690 The Leader X a support for the team,260 00:12:05,124 --> 00:12:09,028 but the team has to solve the issues by learning to change and adapt.261 00:12:09,028 --> 00:12:13,399 Our church was designated to use small groups to meet weekly for the Bible study.262 00:12:13,766 --> 00:12:16,402 They, being the pastor, allowed the group to set up their own meeting263 00:12:16,402 --> 00:12:18,337 schedule and study method.264 00:12:18,337 --> 00:12:21,574 And I can say from experience that I genuinely love my group.265 00:12:21,874 --> 00:12:25,044 I formed a bond with every person in the group, and I feel like266 00:12:25,044 --> 00:12:28,013 I really know these people and I deeply care about them.267 00:12:28,414 --> 00:12:31,250 So instead of a study group, this feels more like a group of friends.268 00:12:31,250 --> 00:12:33,719 And by the way, we have ten adults and nine kids.269 00:12:34,086 --> 00:12:36,655 When we get together weekly and we enjoy each other's company.270 00:12:36,889 --> 00:12:40,426 Wayne is the leader of my study group and he has done a phenomenal job271 00:12:40,426 --> 00:12:44,497 of keeping us together and giving us ways to learn more about each other.272 00:12:44,830 --> 00:12:46,866 What do you think about our group? I think it's great.273 00:12:46,866 --> 00:12:51,070 I mean, we've moved into this level of connection274 00:12:51,070 --> 00:12:56,008 that is more familial than an acquaintance or even good friends.275 00:12:56,142 --> 00:12:57,543 Oh yeah, we really have.276 00:12:57,543 --> 00:12:59,378 I genuinely care about these people.277 00:12:59,378 --> 00:13:01,080 We talk, we text all the time.278 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,315 We've always got something going on. It's we do.279 00:13:03,349 --> 00:13:04,784 We pray for each other.280 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:06,118 It's just a wonderful group.281 00:13:06,118 --> 00:13:08,521 It takes effort to do that, though.282 00:13:09,421 --> 00:13:12,758 You have to realize you may not get to watch your favorite show on Monday night.283 00:13:12,758 --> 00:13:16,996 We can record these things now, by the way, but it's just, well, you got to284 00:13:17,029 --> 00:13:20,733 you got to really put forth effort and say, I want to be with those people.285 00:13:20,733 --> 00:13:23,569 And the problem is sometimes we may not feel that.286 00:13:23,569 --> 00:13:26,806 But the more you try to just do it and work at it,287 00:13:27,072 --> 00:13:30,276 you'll find like what these two guys are telling me right now.288 00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:34,280 God blesses you tenfold when you invest in people.289 00:13:34,313 --> 00:13:36,382 Yes, some of you are listening to this.290 00:13:36,382 --> 00:13:37,516 So well, that's not my gift.291 00:13:37,516 --> 00:13:41,887 Well, yes, it is, because God created us all292 00:13:42,154 --> 00:13:45,624 to be here for each other and because of technology,293 00:13:45,624 --> 00:13:48,661 because of life, because of whatever it is.294 00:13:48,661 --> 00:13:53,399 Yes, we tend to stay away from loving people and we've missed the boat we have.295 00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:54,200 We really have.296 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,803 Oh, you've done it now. Here comes. Oh, wow.297 00:13:59,371 --> 00:14:01,340 Yeah, well, I298 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:06,011 know, and I want to just say again, I really love our group.299 00:14:06,011 --> 00:14:08,681 We meet on Tuesdays, and I look forward to that all week long.300 00:14:08,681 --> 00:14:10,249 We have such a wonderful time.301 00:14:10,249 --> 00:14:14,053 But here's the question how do adaptive leaders do what they do?302 00:14:14,086 --> 00:14:15,921 There's only six steps to this303 00:14:15,921 --> 00:14:19,058 and anyone can do this, and the first one has a great name.304 00:14:19,058 --> 00:14:20,059 I actually love this.305 00:14:20,059 --> 00:14:24,230 The step one of being an adaptive leader is get out on the balcony,306 00:14:24,296 --> 00:14:27,399 get on the balcony is a metaphor for getting out of the fray307 00:14:27,399 --> 00:14:30,402 and finding a perspective during a challenging situation.308 00:14:30,736 --> 00:14:31,537 That's really good.309 00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:35,574 Imagine that your team is on the dance floor and getting on the balcony as a way310 00:14:35,574 --> 00:14:37,843 for you to get away from the noise and the chaos,311 00:14:37,843 --> 00:14:40,913 and allows you to get a much clearer view of what's going on.312 00:14:41,013 --> 00:14:42,381 I think that's important.313 00:14:42,381 --> 00:14:45,084 I think perspective is everything. Absolutely.314 00:14:45,284 --> 00:14:48,420 The problem is we stay in one perspective.315 00:14:48,420 --> 00:14:50,990 We don't ever get a chance to see it in another way.316 00:14:51,056 --> 00:14:54,860 When you see something through someone else's eyes, it changes your whole thing.317 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:58,931 And it was just like yesterday, my my son had Special Olympics. Yes.318 00:14:58,931 --> 00:15:02,835 And when you were there seeing those young people319 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:05,738 just giving it all, they had love in it.320 00:15:05,938 --> 00:15:08,674 When their name was announced, they put their hands in the air.321 00:15:08,674 --> 00:15:10,943 Love that they laughed. They giggled.322 00:15:10,943 --> 00:15:13,279 And I think that's life and way,323 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:17,049 and I got to experience that together because he came to watch my son play.324 00:15:17,082 --> 00:15:17,750 That's all that.325 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:18,817 It's an investment326 00:15:18,817 --> 00:15:23,088 that I'll never forget that he did that, that means the world to me and327 00:15:23,322 --> 00:15:26,759 and I think it meant something to Steve and now he just said thanks, but328 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,996 I think he really meant thank you so much.329 00:15:31,397 --> 00:15:34,433 And Steve is just working on that.330 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:36,001 Oh, yeah.331 00:15:36,001 --> 00:15:39,171 But but I think it's really important that we do that with each other.332 00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:41,273 And there's opportunity.333 00:15:41,307 --> 00:15:43,676 Wayne is really good at this.334 00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:47,947 Yes, because I see that is that he is and he loves it when I brag on him.335 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,618 one of the best I know he didn't know, but but see, I think he.336 00:15:53,152 --> 00:15:54,887 I mean, he'll come up to anyone in our church337 00:15:54,887 --> 00:15:57,056 and just say, How are you doing? What's going on?338 00:15:57,056 --> 00:16:00,092 And that's something I've always tried to do as well.339 00:16:00,092 --> 00:16:01,794 And I just think that's a blessing340 00:16:01,794 --> 00:16:06,098 when you go after that full on trying to just love people where they are.341 00:16:06,131 --> 00:16:07,967 It is. It absolutely is.342 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:10,269 You know, Wayne, you minutes. You mentioned perspective.343 00:16:10,269 --> 00:16:12,705 Is there something you do at work quite a bit after?344 00:16:12,738 --> 00:16:15,341 Is that something learned or is this something that came to you normally?345 00:16:15,374 --> 00:16:18,811 Yes, it's a little column little of Columbia.346 00:16:19,244 --> 00:16:21,547 So it's like, Yes,347 00:16:21,547 --> 00:16:25,417 it's one of those things where I took a promotion in our company348 00:16:25,417 --> 00:16:29,221 several years ago, where I had to teach myself to be able to talk to people349 00:16:29,221 --> 00:16:31,957 and to think of questions to ask just to be engaging350 00:16:32,358 --> 00:16:34,760 because my job was more relational at that point.351 00:16:35,060 --> 00:16:38,430 But once I got to the department that I'm in now352 00:16:38,430 --> 00:16:42,201 and have people that report to me, everything had to change a little bit353 00:16:42,334 --> 00:16:45,437 because I couldn't get into the nuts and bolts of everything354 00:16:45,437 --> 00:16:50,642 because my guys run my department and as they go , so go out very good.355 00:16:50,642 --> 00:16:52,845 You had no idea you were becoming an adaptive leader.356 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:53,779 They ended, you know?357 00:16:56,048 --> 00:16:58,717 So how does a leader get on the balcony?358 00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:01,754 I've got a few suggestions, and maybe you guys have more.359 00:17:01,787 --> 00:17:03,956 Take some quiet time. Take a step back.360 00:17:04,356 --> 00:17:05,257 Just take a breath.361 00:17:05,257 --> 00:17:07,526 Relax and get a fresh perspective.362 00:17:07,526 --> 00:17:11,563 Or you can form a group of advisors unofficially of people you trust363 00:17:11,563 --> 00:17:13,599 who will give you their opinion, whether right364 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:17,770 or wrong, about a situation and attend a meeting as an observer.365 00:17:17,770 --> 00:17:18,771 Don't contribute.366 00:17:18,771 --> 00:17:20,139 Just sit back and listen to what367 00:17:20,139 --> 00:17:23,942 the people on your team have to say. It a different point of view about this.368 00:17:24,143 --> 00:17:25,978 I think those are really, really good.369 00:17:25,978 --> 00:17:27,613 And I think on that second one,370 00:17:27,613 --> 00:17:30,215 I think we have to make sure that we're accountable to each other.371 00:17:30,215 --> 00:17:31,550 And that's a good one. Yes.372 00:17:31,550 --> 00:17:34,853 And I think in doing that, that means that I have to let373 00:17:34,853 --> 00:17:38,724 you know that I messed up or I have issues or that I got to work on this.374 00:17:38,724 --> 00:17:41,226 Or the funny thing is, when you tell someone375 00:17:41,226 --> 00:17:43,529 that you have an issue, they probably already knew it.376 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:44,797 You're right.377 00:17:44,797 --> 00:17:46,765 I agree. So you just got to be honest378 00:17:46,765 --> 00:17:49,701 and be who you are and who God created you to be. Yes.379 00:17:49,835 --> 00:17:52,971 So step two, in being an adaptive leader, it sounds easy380 00:17:52,971 --> 00:17:54,940 enough, and it actually is kind of easy if you follow.381 00:17:54,940 --> 00:17:57,910 Step one is to identify the adaptive challenges382 00:17:57,910 --> 00:18:01,213 you have to identify and diagnose the three types of challenges.383 00:18:01,213 --> 00:18:04,917 If you remember, those are technical, adaptive or technical and adaptive,384 00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:07,086 and you do this from the balcony.385 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:08,821 The leader takes a different point of view,386 00:18:08,821 --> 00:18:11,723 and this will make the challenges a lot easier to identify.387 00:18:11,824 --> 00:18:15,527 So step one Get on the balcony, step to identify the challenges.388 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:20,599 Step three is extremely important, and this is one most leaders don't do.389 00:18:21,066 --> 00:18:23,302 Step three is to regulate distress.390 00:18:24,169 --> 00:18:27,272 Psychologically, we all have a need for consistency.391 00:18:27,306 --> 00:18:29,308 It's hardwired into us.392 00:18:29,308 --> 00:18:33,112 It's so much easier to make crucial decisions when an individual is relaxed393 00:18:33,245 --> 00:18:34,413 and comfortable,394 00:18:34,413 --> 00:18:38,417 and adaptive leaders need to monitor the stress of the people on their teams395 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:41,787 and keep it within a productive range and even try to regulate it.396 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:45,224 And they can do this by providing direction, not telling the team397 00:18:45,224 --> 00:18:48,427 how to get there, but giving them just a general idea of how to get there.398 00:18:48,861 --> 00:18:52,598 They can also do this by providing protection, saying This is a safe zone.399 00:18:52,598 --> 00:18:54,099 You're free to make mistakes here.400 00:18:54,099 --> 00:18:55,634 I will protect you.401 00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:57,236 They can do conflict management.402 00:18:57,236 --> 00:18:58,337 Or here's my favorite.403 00:18:58,337 --> 00:19:00,672 Create a holding environment.404 00:19:00,672 --> 00:19:02,641 Now what's a holding environment?405 00:19:02,641 --> 00:19:04,676 I've got a question for both you guys. I don't know.406 00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:06,111 Do you both know how to swim?407 00:19:06,111 --> 00:19:07,446 Yes. Yes.408 00:19:07,446 --> 00:19:08,780 Now, when you were taught to swim,409 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:12,351 were you thrown in or did someone hold you and say, Move your arms?410 00:19:12,618 --> 00:19:14,953 You're safe? Don't worry. Now kick your leg.411 00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:15,821 See how you do that.412 00:19:15,821 --> 00:19:17,990 This is how you lead. I'm holding you here.413 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:20,492 You're safe to make mistakes and you're safe to practice.414 00:19:20,492 --> 00:19:22,127 That's a holding environment.415 00:19:22,127 --> 00:19:24,329 Yeah. Are you asking us that happened to us?416 00:19:24,696 --> 00:19:27,332 Well, I hope you weren't thrown in, but were you?417 00:19:27,332 --> 00:19:29,968 Oh no, I may have been a little thrown in.418 00:19:29,968 --> 00:19:30,736 And then,419 00:19:30,736 --> 00:19:34,973 you know, my mom ended up helping me, but dad's like he'll learn how to do it.420 00:19:34,973 --> 00:19:35,474 My God,421 00:19:36,775 --> 00:19:37,609 did you422 00:19:40,579 --> 00:19:42,047 know I did?423 00:19:42,981 --> 00:19:43,949 So how does that work?424 00:19:43,949 --> 00:19:45,851 I've got to ask, how did that work?425 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:47,319 Eventually, I learned how.426 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:52,824 I guess I watched people and I ended up being on my swim team, which was fun.427 00:19:52,925 --> 00:19:53,859 That's awesome.428 00:19:53,859 --> 00:19:56,328 Yeah, me in a speedo, something very exciting.429 00:19:56,662 --> 00:19:58,830 Hey, that's a thought I didn't need.430 00:19:58,830 --> 00:19:59,798 Thank you.431 00:19:59,798 --> 00:20:01,667 Thank you. Wayne, how did you learn?432 00:20:01,667 --> 00:20:03,001 I was probably 20.433 00:20:03,001 --> 00:20:05,404 Wow. Or 24? Wow.434 00:20:05,604 --> 00:20:07,673 And I was a camp counselor at Wesley Woods.435 00:20:07,673 --> 00:20:08,840 Wonderful. Yeah.436 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,909 Yes. Well, the deep end is six feet.437 00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:12,277 I'm not six feet now.438 00:20:12,277 --> 00:20:14,179 All the kids jump on you.439 00:20:14,179 --> 00:20:16,148 Oh no. Oh, like.440 00:20:16,148 --> 00:20:18,217 So he had the same experience.441 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:20,552 You're right. That's442 00:20:20,619 --> 00:20:24,189 that's the way we should learn how to do a man way and learn a little bit443 00:20:24,189 --> 00:20:28,093 different way, the way I took swimming lessons and I had a great lifeguard444 00:20:28,093 --> 00:20:31,330 who would hold me in the water and I wasn't underwater,445 00:20:31,330 --> 00:20:34,533 but I learned how to use my arms and my legs and put it all together.446 00:20:34,666 --> 00:20:36,401 Do you have her name? I anymore?447 00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:40,239 No, we've lost touch over the years.448 00:20:40,239 --> 00:20:44,676 You get to say, sorry, I digress.449 00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:49,414 So, OK, step four is to maintain disciplined attention.450 00:20:49,448 --> 00:20:50,382 The adaptive leader451 00:20:50,382 --> 00:20:53,919 needs to continually encourage people to focus on difficult tasks.452 00:20:53,952 --> 00:20:55,087 Now, difficult tasks453 00:20:55,087 --> 00:20:59,057 typically doesn't come easy for people to focus on if it's difficult.454 00:20:59,391 --> 00:21:01,760 You don't want to think about it. You certainly don't want to focus on it.455 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,030 You want to think about something easy or just forget about it altogether.456 00:21:05,030 --> 00:21:08,934 But it's the job of the leader to have the team focus on the task457 00:21:09,134 --> 00:21:11,470 and keep them oriented and direct it on the goal.458 00:21:11,503 --> 00:21:17,476 So when that goal is a fun, enjoyable thing, it's easier to give on on tasks.459 00:21:17,809 --> 00:21:20,512 How do you go about doing it when when it's something that's460 00:21:20,512 --> 00:21:23,982 just heavy and hard and overwhelming?461 00:21:24,449 --> 00:21:25,417 I'm just throwing that out.462 00:21:25,417 --> 00:21:26,918 There's a lot of different ways to do that,463 00:21:26,918 --> 00:21:28,620 and I want to get Wayne's opinion after this.464 00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:33,091 But my way is I set up milestones and I know that they're going to be reported.465 00:21:33,358 --> 00:21:36,728 I'll meet with them before each meeting and say, I'm going to bring this up.466 00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:38,530 How far along are you?467 00:21:38,530 --> 00:21:41,166 And they'll say, we're at x y z or we haven't looked at it468 00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:44,269 or we're considering which way we want to go .469 00:21:44,269 --> 00:21:45,737 And I'll say, OK, give me a report on this.470 00:21:45,737 --> 00:21:49,107 And by next week, I want you to have two more steps into this471 00:21:49,541 --> 00:21:52,311 so that they can take the bite out of the proverbial elephant.472 00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:55,681 And it makes it a manageable opportunity for everyone.473 00:21:55,881 --> 00:21:56,348 Gotcha.474 00:21:56,348 --> 00:21:58,183 Wayne's laughing. So we might be in trouble.475 00:21:58,183 --> 00:22:00,252 Oh no.476 00:22:00,252 --> 00:22:05,924 So what I try to do is put myself in their position477 00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:09,294 very good and not just metaphorically478 00:22:09,294 --> 00:22:13,332 for a talking point, but if it is a multi-step project,479 00:22:13,365 --> 00:22:17,502 I'll try to help them look at it from kind of the end goal.480 00:22:17,569 --> 00:22:20,639 So you don't do this for them, just give them a different perspective.481 00:22:21,139 --> 00:22:25,477 Yes, and I don't dictate how it looks.482 00:22:25,744 --> 00:22:28,580 It's like you like, I need this information.483 00:22:28,580 --> 00:22:29,448 I don't really care484 00:22:29,448 --> 00:22:33,385 how you get it or what it looks like, as long as it's all very good.485 00:22:33,385 --> 00:22:36,455 So they have a lot of freedom, you know, and that really leads us into step486 00:22:36,455 --> 00:22:39,524 five and step five is where a lot of leaders get tripped up.487 00:22:39,558 --> 00:22:42,361 Step five is to give the work back to the people.488 00:22:42,494 --> 00:22:43,495 A lot of leaders489 00:22:43,495 --> 00:22:47,466 think that no one's as good as me or I can do this the way I want to do so.490 00:22:47,466 --> 00:22:48,467 I'm just going to do it.491 00:22:48,467 --> 00:22:50,669 But that doesn't help your team grow at all.492 00:22:50,669 --> 00:22:52,337 That doesn't help them mature.493 00:22:52,337 --> 00:22:54,272 It doesn't teach them how to make decisions.494 00:22:54,272 --> 00:22:56,942 No, the leader wants to provide direction and structure,495 00:22:56,942 --> 00:22:58,877 and the team wants to feel secure in what they're doing.496 00:22:58,877 --> 00:23:01,646 But the team also wants to feel like they're a part of the problem497 00:23:01,646 --> 00:23:04,683 solving and overly directive leaders can result in people498 00:23:04,683 --> 00:23:08,186 being dependent on the leader and inhibiting them from doing their work.499 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:11,056 I think we all know leaders that do this, don't we? Absolutely.500 00:23:11,089 --> 00:23:14,760 And the last step step six is to protect the people on your team,501 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,995 even the voices below the people on your team.502 00:23:16,995 --> 00:23:21,199 The adaptive leader must be open to ideas of people who may be on the fringe,503 00:23:21,199 --> 00:23:25,170 marginalized or maybe even considered deviants in the group of the organization.504 00:23:25,203 --> 00:23:27,339 Be open to the ideas of low status505 00:23:27,339 --> 00:23:30,876 individuals who may not express themselves very effectively.506 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:34,813 It's challenging because it's disruptive to the normal way of doing things,507 00:23:34,813 --> 00:23:37,849 but the adaptive leader truly considers all opinions.508 00:23:38,183 --> 00:23:40,819 A yeah, that's hard, though, and can be,509 00:23:40,952 --> 00:23:43,655 especially when that opinion goes against what's yours is.510 00:23:43,989 --> 00:23:46,925 And I guess the idea is not to prejudge someone.511 00:23:46,925 --> 00:23:49,861 Here comes this person. They never have a good idea, right?512 00:23:49,861 --> 00:23:53,698 But if you really give them an honest listen, maybe they do have good ideas.513 00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:55,434 Absolutely.514 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,570 Well, and it's a different perspective, and that's what you've been teaching515 00:23:58,570 --> 00:24:01,807 the whole time. The key is perspective 100%.516 00:24:02,073 --> 00:24:04,576 So here are the strengths of active leadership.517 00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:07,913 In contrast to all other leadership theories,518 00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:10,882 active leadership takes a process approach.519 00:24:11,283 --> 00:24:14,653 The leadership is a complex transaction between the leaders and followers,520 00:24:14,653 --> 00:24:17,989 but there step by step how to do adaptive leadership?521 00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:20,859 Adaptive leadership is follower centered.522 00:24:20,892 --> 00:24:24,496 Adaptive leaders can mobilize people and engage them in an adaptive work,523 00:24:24,529 --> 00:24:26,631 and another one is it helps followers deal524 00:24:26,631 --> 00:24:30,402 with conflicting values that emerge when the work environments change.525 00:24:30,435 --> 00:24:31,503 Adaptive leadership526 00:24:31,503 --> 00:24:35,474 prescribes good leadership behaviors even if you don't have a great outcome.527 00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:37,909 If you follow the steps, you're a good leader,528 00:24:37,943 --> 00:24:40,812 you're doing good leadership, and the last one was my favorite.529 00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:44,149 It contributes the concept of a holding environment as an integral530 00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:47,385 part of the leadership process, giving a safe place for your people,531 00:24:47,385 --> 00:24:50,956 your team to try leadership like we used in the swimming example.532 00:24:50,956 --> 00:24:52,824 Where you're safe, you're not going to drown,533 00:24:52,824 --> 00:24:56,127 and you get to slowly learn how to do what you need to do, I man.534 00:24:56,595 --> 00:25:00,932 And I think one of the things that we need to always work on535 00:25:00,932 --> 00:25:05,003 is is trust in the process, trusting, you know, one of the things I love.536 00:25:05,704 --> 00:25:09,741 And if out of all the ones that we've been teaching, I love servant leadership.537 00:25:10,675 --> 00:25:12,110 I identify with that one the most.538 00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:12,878 Yeah, me too.539 00:25:12,878 --> 00:25:17,115 But I think there is parts of each one that we can take from and learn about.540 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:19,317 And try to try to adapt.541 00:25:19,317 --> 00:25:20,752 So what I did there, I love it.542 00:25:20,752 --> 00:25:24,022 Things you and I worked at in the rank you, I'll be here,543 00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:25,991 but we love it544 00:25:27,425 --> 00:25:28,894 when you got something.545 00:25:28,894 --> 00:25:32,631 I saw you writing well, the strength that I try most546 00:25:32,631 --> 00:25:35,634 in my department to offer is a safe space.547 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,138 Very good because as good, I've never thought the smartest person in the room.548 00:25:40,138 --> 00:25:40,972 Very good.549 00:25:40,972 --> 00:25:44,976 And I just want people who have differing personalities550 00:25:44,976 --> 00:25:48,179 to be able to say what they want so that they're heard551 00:25:48,213 --> 00:25:50,949 and it's not just out of lip service to them. It's wonderful.552 00:25:50,949 --> 00:25:51,883 They've got good ideas.553 00:25:51,883 --> 00:25:53,285 Yes, they do. And I'm554 00:25:53,285 --> 00:25:57,088 sure the people in your team appreciate that a safe space is so valuable.555 00:25:57,122 --> 00:25:57,789 Hey, man.556 00:25:57,789 --> 00:26:02,827 So here are the criticisms of adaptive leadership because it's new 1994.557 00:26:02,861 --> 00:26:05,263 There's been very little empirical research,558 00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:08,333 and none of the tests have been conducted thoroughly.559 00:26:08,333 --> 00:26:10,335 To prove or evaluate the claim.560 00:26:10,335 --> 00:26:14,172 The model needs to be redefined, and the relationships between the factors561 00:26:14,172 --> 00:26:15,974 must be clarified.562 00:26:15,974 --> 00:26:18,109 In other words, we think it works.563 00:26:18,109 --> 00:26:20,645 We've got evidence it works, but we don't know how it works.564 00:26:21,179 --> 00:26:23,315 And the last one is adaptive.565 00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:25,250 Leadership is very wide ranging.566 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:26,551 It can be a little abstract.567 00:26:26,551 --> 00:26:28,720 It can be a little hard to do sometimes.568 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,023 Romans twelve nine through ten from569 00:26:32,023 --> 00:26:35,393 the message says this love from the center of who you are.570 00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:38,063 Don't forget, run for dear life from evil.571 00:26:38,363 --> 00:26:40,599 Hold on for dear life to good.572 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:44,269 Be good friends who love deeply practiced playing second fiddle.573 00:26:44,869 --> 00:26:47,238 Oh, practice playing second fiddle. I love that.574 00:26:47,238 --> 00:26:50,275 Yeah, that's from the message, and I love that as well.575 00:26:51,042 --> 00:26:52,777 Wayne, before we close, you got anything.576 00:26:52,777 --> 00:26:55,046 Now I think you all said everything. Good.577 00:26:55,213 --> 00:26:57,582 Got all the answers. Anything else for me, brother?578 00:26:57,849 --> 00:26:59,618 Well, I really love that second fiddle thing.579 00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:02,454 A good adaptive leader should let the team take charge580 00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:04,122 and he should practice playing second fiddle.581 00:27:04,122 --> 00:27:06,658 That's beautiful and you love from the center of who you are.582 00:27:06,658 --> 00:27:10,295 You can play, you can practice playing second fiddle music for me to say,583 00:27:10,595 --> 00:27:12,664 Hey, guys, have a great week.584 00:27:12,664 --> 00:27:15,734 Yeah, any questions about who we are or what we do?585 00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:17,502 Make sure you check our website.586 00:27:17,502 --> 00:27:20,038 We'll get we'll try to get a picture of Wayne up.587 00:27:20,038 --> 00:27:22,207 I thought it'd be cool just to put his head like over us588 00:27:22,207 --> 00:27:24,409 somewhere, which would be, Yeah, I'll do that.589 00:27:24,442 --> 00:27:27,178 But we're so glad that Wayne's hanging out with this.590 00:27:27,212 --> 00:27:29,381 We're so thankful that you're listening.591 00:27:29,381 --> 00:27:31,516 Please let us know how we can bless you.592 00:27:31,516 --> 00:27:33,051 Have a great week. God bless.593 00:27:35,420 --> 00:27:36,187 This is an594 00:27:36,187 --> 00:27:39,991 LBC production which stands for pounds, if you knew that or not,595 00:27:39,991 --> 00:27:43,662 but it also stands for laughing because we're safe.596 00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:47,298 But we kind of like the pound, so Chris will lift them597 00:27:47,298 --> 00:27:50,368 and I will gain them and we will have a great time.598 00:27:50,368 --> 00:27:51,136 Thanks for listening.