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This is Lead 12:12,
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a podcast on Christ centered leadership
based on Romans 12:12, rejoice and hope.
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Be patient and tribulation,
be constant in prayer.
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Thanks for listening.
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Now here's Chris and Dave.
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Faith is not the belief
that God will do what you want.
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It is the belief that God will do
what is right.
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Max Lucado.
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That was beautiful.
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Max has a lot of great quotes like that.
I like him a lot.
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I think he he's got a good understanding
of how to love God,
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and that's the goal for all of us.
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Oh, that is absolutely the goal.
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And speaking of that,
we got somebody in here that I know
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love God with all of his heart.
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And also he loves doing this too,
because he loves to talk about himself.
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You're talking about me, right? Well,
you too.
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You as well.
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He's not talking about the band U2, but
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I don't get after.
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How are you doing, Wayne?
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I'm good.
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How are you?
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You want to introduce our guest,
Mr. Chris.
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I do.
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This is a person
that I really think the world of,
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and I would describe him as a man
after God's own heart.
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This is Wayne Hunter Wayne.
How are you doing?
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I'm good. How are you?
That's the second time you've been asked.
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That, isn't it? Yes.
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Hey, buddy.
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So I had to give the exact same answer.
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I'm glad you're here.
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I'm glad to be here.
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I'm glad you're here, too.
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Wayne,
tell us a little bit about yourself.
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I was born and raised here.
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Been married 16 years
and she's great wife.
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Congratulations.
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Alien marine unit
Christchurch plays guitar a little bit.
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Read a lot.
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Now, Wayne says he plays guitar
a little bit.
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He is a phenomenal guitar player.
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I will give him all the credit
in the world and he can really play.
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He's part of our praise team at
Christchurch and does an incredible job.
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We're blessed to have him.
We certainly are.
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So when you read a little bit,
what do you read?
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Of course I read my Bible, read him in pretty much whatever Jeff Caldwell gives me.
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Jeff Caldwell, there we go.
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Ranges. Everything from it ranges.
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Anything from scripture to exegetical.
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No cursing. Praise,
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prophecy, relationship revelation.
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So what are you reading right now?
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Reading a book about forgiving people?
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Oh, that's fantastic.
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That's a great subject.
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And it's it is. It's a bitter pill.
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It really is.
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And you know, my biggest problem with
with forgiveness is it's not one and done.
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Sometimes you have to do it every day.
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You forgive someone for something terrible
that happened to you.
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And tomorrow you think about it again
and you've got to forgive them again
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and the next day and the next day,
what are your thoughts on that?
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It's a struggle.
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Like, that's a very real struggle.
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It's absolutely a struggle.
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And what it tells me is
that I'm not focusing on the right thing.
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So, Wayne,
how do you do it forgiving yourself?
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So good question,
and I'm still working on that one.
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It's sometimes easier to forgive other
people than it is the one in the mirror.
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That's true.
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I know for me, sometimes I beat myself up,
and so it makes me hard
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to forgive someone else
because I don't like what I'm doing.
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Is in the situation so easy to do? Yeah.
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Well, my issue is it's usually easier
for me to forgive others than it is myself
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because I don't mind giving others grace ,
but I know everything I've ever done.
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You hold yourself to our standard, too.
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It's just a difficult thing to get around.
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Isn't it amazing that God knows everything
you've ever done to, and he's forgiven
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all of that? Yeah.
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I mean, I can probably think
of three different times in my life.
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I should have been dead.
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Oh, wow.
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Like legitimately then? My goodness.
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Maybe. four.
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So he's been way
better to me than I deserve.
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Do you still beat yourself up over those?
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Are you learning to forgive yourself
through that?
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I don't beat myself up over him because
most of them were just stupid decisions.
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And I don't.
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I don't care.
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We've all done that.
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I don't mind stupid decisions, man.
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Repeated stupid decisions.
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That's it right there. That's good.
That's good.
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That's really good. That'll preach.
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So Wayne, how does your Christianity
and your leadership
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at the your workplace,
how do they come together?
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Well, I try to just kind of keep to myself
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not cause too much trouble
and always be there for people.
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And as it happens,
there are a couple of people
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that will ask me scriptural questions.
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I sometimes get questions
about their faith or they're considering
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becoming a Christian,
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so they do a lot of research
and they've said, I'm
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the only person that they know
that they can ask these questions
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of their obvious of your faith
and haven't .
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Yes, that's right.
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How do they know that
you live your faith out loud?
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I'm assuming I trust.
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I'll also talk about some things
you don't like compliments.
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So do you know,
not really compliments, but
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that's a gift
for people to see that in you.
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That's powerful. Amen.
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It's one of.
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Are things where I've been told
that I'm not approachable before,
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so I spend a lot of time
trying to kind to work on that
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because I don't see that in you
and I don't either.
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I absolutely don't.
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I totally think that you're
very approachable.
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You know,
that's a really good Segway, Wayne.
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Why don't you tell us your salvation story
so that I actually take place?
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I think I was 18, 19,
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you know, my parents had gotten divorced
and that was difficult.
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So your parents are one of the few couples
that divorced and remarried, right? Yes.
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So you're they're still together.
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They're still together.
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I did not know that.
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That's amazing.
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Yeah, it's rare.
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So that made things a little difficult.
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You know, trying to finish high school
ended up attempting
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suicide before I graduated high school.
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So do you mind if I ask you a question
about that now?
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What? What drove you to that?
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What made that seem
to be the only option for you?
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I just was tired of hurting,
tired of hurting, and that's so powerful.
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If you are living in that kind of mindset,
then you're hurting.
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So if you have someone out there
listening right now
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who's tired of hurting,
what would you say?
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I mean, there's not some mystical answer
to that.
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That's true.
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You just got a hold on them.
Reach out to people.
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There was a lady that I knew
in high school.
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She was a year younger than me.
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We would talk for hours at a time,
any time, day or night because she knew
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how bad it was.
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Oh yeah, sometimes relationships like that
are so helpful.
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So it was that kind of
what made you decide not to go that way?
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Yeah, for sure.
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That was a big part of it.
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That's awesome. And, you know,
she was a Christian.
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Her parents are Christians.
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And I remember
probably the 30th of October,
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I had this overwhelming
feeling that I needed to go out
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again 18 years old trick or treating
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to to her house because of her parents.
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And it was at that point
I knew that I needed to accept Jesus
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because she'd been speaking
a lot of that into my into my life.
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So on Halloween that year, her dad
led me in prayer for salvation.
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Hey, man, that's amazing.
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Hey, man.
So then what happened after that?
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Then I got plugged into
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Central Baptist, met Donna Wainwright
and just kind of took off from there.
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It's not been a perfect journey.
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Oh, no, no, there's no.
So it's not even close.
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He has gotten me through the darkest
times.
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Amen.
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Some of them have created some of them.
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I but I've made.
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Yeah, we've all made our own.
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Absolutely. That's an amazing story.
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It really is. Oh, here we go.
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I love that one.
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So now I want to mention to our listeners
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that from most of the time Wayne
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does our Wednesday night Bible study,
and he does a wonderful job with that.
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He is a fantastic teacher. Incredible.
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And how long do you think
we're going to spend on Genesis?
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It's we're trying to do a chapter a week.
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This week is Chapter 27.
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There's 50 chapters,
so you've got 23 left,
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maybe 24 if you count this week.
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And let me tell you,
he is thorough and in-depth.
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If you're looking for an academic study,
this is the way to go.
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This is really intelligent. Yeah, hey man.
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Super intelligent.
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So long time you got a bet.
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That's good.
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So, Wayne,
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when you're doing
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those Bible studies on Wednesday night
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and you're
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getting into such technical detail,
what do you do about getting tongue tied
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or making sure you don't say
the wrong thing at the wrong time?
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Because we've all heard it?
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I follow Dave's advice.
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If you're not sure what the word
is, pretend like you do.
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Yeah, say it anyway. Say it fast.
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I think, Dave, you've got a story
you want to share with us
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about some things that have been misspoken
where preachers, we always say things
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that sometimes
we wish we could bring back.
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I don't know if you guys
have ever experienced that late in life,
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but in leadership, sometimes you are like,
Oh man, I didn't mean to say that.
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And so my buddy,
he was his name's Greg Bowen.
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He's gone on to heaven.
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one of my favorite people,
he was trying to tell everybody inside
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and out of Ephesians the fat, the fiery
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darts of the devil and full of God.
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And what he ended up
Sam was the diarrhea farts of the devil.
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And I say, Greg, what did you do next?
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Greg said, Goodbye, everybody.
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So on that note,
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I think we're going to say goodbye,
everybody.
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I've got one.
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Go ahead.
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If folks,
if you've got one better than that,
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we want to hear it go to lead
twelve to overcome and contact us.
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I've got it here.
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I want to end on a real note.
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Wayne, what is your biggest praise for God
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that I'm still alive
and I still have a family?
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Amen.
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And he still uses me,
and he does every day.
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I can vouch for that.
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I close with this in Proverbs.
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It says laughter is good medicine.
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We like to laugh and we like to cry
because we like to trust Jesus
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and all that process.
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And so we're glad
that you're hanging with this.
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Please let us know how we can bless you.
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Well, I'll let Chris do that for you.
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Token Will
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and Wayne will, too.
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So we're excited that Wayne
hanging out with this.
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Have a great weekend.
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God bless.
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This is an LBC production
which stands for panels.
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You knew that or not, but it also stands
for laughing because we're safe.
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But we kind of like the pounds,
so I'm Chris will lift them
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and I will gain them
and we will have a great time.
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Thanks for listening.
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