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1 00:00:18,418 --> 00:00:20,587 This is Lead 12:12, 2 00:00:20,954 --> 00:00:26,259 a podcast on Christ centered leadership based on Romans 12:12, rejoice and hope. 3 00:00:26,459 --> 00:00:29,562 Be patient and tribulation, be constant in prayer. 4 00:00:30,063 --> 00:00:31,297 Thanks for listening. 5 00:00:31,297 --> 00:00:33,933 Now here's Chris and Dave. 6 00:00:34,234 --> 00:00:37,837 Faith is not the belief that God will do what you want. 7 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:40,740 It is the belief that God will do what is right. 8 00:00:40,740 --> 00:00:41,608 Max Lucado. 9 00:00:41,608 --> 00:00:43,076 That was beautiful. 10 00:00:43,076 --> 00:00:45,845 Max has a lot of great quotes like that. I like him a lot. 11 00:00:45,845 --> 00:00:50,050 I think he he's got a good understanding of how to love God, 12 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:51,618 and that's the goal for all of us. 13 00:00:51,618 --> 00:00:53,219 Oh, that is absolutely the goal. 14 00:00:53,219 --> 00:00:57,090 And speaking of that, we got somebody in here that I know 15 00:00:57,090 --> 00:00:58,691 love God with all of his heart. 16 00:00:58,691 --> 00:01:01,928 And also he loves doing this too, because he loves to talk about himself. 17 00:01:01,961 --> 00:01:04,330 You're talking about me, right? Well, you too. 18 00:01:04,731 --> 00:01:05,732 You as well. 19 00:01:05,732 --> 00:01:08,134 He's not talking about the band U2, but 20 00:01:09,235 --> 00:01:11,438 I don't get after. 21 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:14,474 How are you doing, Wayne? 22 00:01:14,474 --> 00:01:15,141 I'm good. 23 00:01:15,141 --> 00:01:15,542 How are you? 24 00:01:15,542 --> 00:01:18,578 You want to introduce our guest, Mr. Chris. 25 00:01:18,611 --> 00:01:18,945 I do. 26 00:01:18,945 --> 00:01:22,082 This is a person that I really think the world of, 27 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:24,617 and I would describe him as a man after God's own heart. 28 00:01:25,051 --> 00:01:27,187 This is Wayne Hunter Wayne. How are you doing? 29 00:01:27,187 --> 00:01:29,322 I'm good. How are you? That's the second time you've been asked. 30 00:01:29,322 --> 00:01:30,757 That, isn't it? Yes. 31 00:01:30,757 --> 00:01:31,891 Hey, buddy. 32 00:01:31,891 --> 00:01:33,927 So I had to give the exact same answer. 33 00:01:35,328 --> 00:01:37,063 I'm glad you're here. 34 00:01:37,063 --> 00:01:37,964 I'm glad to be here. 35 00:01:37,964 --> 00:01:39,032 I'm glad you're here, too. 36 00:01:39,032 --> 00:01:41,034 Wayne, tell us a little bit about yourself. 37 00:01:41,034 --> 00:01:42,735 I was born and raised here. 38 00:01:42,735 --> 00:01:46,773 Been married 16 years and she's great wife. 39 00:01:46,806 --> 00:01:48,308 Congratulations. 40 00:01:48,308 --> 00:01:52,045 Alien marine unit Christchurch plays guitar a little bit. 41 00:01:52,045 --> 00:01:53,213 Read a lot. 42 00:01:53,213 --> 00:01:55,515 Now, Wayne says he plays guitar a little bit. 43 00:01:55,515 --> 00:01:57,016 He is a phenomenal guitar player. 44 00:01:57,016 --> 00:02:00,086 I will give him all the credit in the world and he can really play. 45 00:02:00,386 --> 00:02:03,890 He's part of our praise team at Christchurch and does an incredible job. 46 00:02:03,923 --> 00:02:06,059 We're blessed to have him. We certainly are. 47 00:02:06,626 --> 00:02:08,661 So when you read a little bit, what do you read? 48 00:02:08,661 --> 00:02:14,567 Of course I read my Bible, read him in pretty much whatever Jeff Caldwell gives me. 49 00:02:16,369 --> 00:02:17,904 Jeff Caldwell, there we go. 50 00:02:17,904 --> 00:02:20,940 Ranges. Everything from it ranges. 51 00:02:20,940 --> 00:02:25,678 Anything from scripture to exegetical. 52 00:02:25,678 --> 00:02:27,814 No cursing. Praise, 53 00:02:29,249 --> 00:02:33,119 prophecy, relationship revelation. 54 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:35,755 So what are you reading right now? 55 00:02:35,755 --> 00:02:39,225 Reading a book about forgiving people? 56 00:02:39,626 --> 00:02:40,860 Oh, that's fantastic. 57 00:02:40,860 --> 00:02:42,195 That's a great subject. 58 00:02:42,195 --> 00:02:45,565 And it's it is. It's a bitter pill. 59 00:02:45,765 --> 00:02:46,833 It really is. 60 00:02:46,833 --> 00:02:52,839 And you know, my biggest problem with with forgiveness is it's not one and done. 61 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:55,074 Sometimes you have to do it every day. 62 00:02:55,441 --> 00:02:58,645 You forgive someone for something terrible that happened to you. 63 00:02:58,678 --> 00:03:02,115 And tomorrow you think about it again and you've got to forgive them again 64 00:03:02,115 --> 00:03:04,617 and the next day and the next day, what are your thoughts on that? 65 00:03:04,684 --> 00:03:05,752 It's a struggle. 66 00:03:05,752 --> 00:03:07,620 Like, that's a very real struggle. 67 00:03:07,620 --> 00:03:08,821 It's absolutely a struggle. 68 00:03:08,821 --> 00:03:12,725 And what it tells me is that I'm not focusing on the right thing. 69 00:03:13,259 --> 00:03:15,728 So, Wayne, how do you do it forgiving yourself? 70 00:03:16,429 --> 00:03:19,399 So good question, and I'm still working on that one. 71 00:03:19,832 --> 00:03:23,603 It's sometimes easier to forgive other people than it is the one in the mirror. 72 00:03:23,636 --> 00:03:24,537 That's true. 73 00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:28,474 I know for me, sometimes I beat myself up, and so it makes me hard 74 00:03:28,474 --> 00:03:31,778 to forgive someone else because I don't like what I'm doing. 75 00:03:31,844 --> 00:03:34,347 Is in the situation so easy to do? Yeah. 76 00:03:35,048 --> 00:03:40,119 Well, my issue is it's usually easier for me to forgive others than it is myself 77 00:03:40,119 --> 00:03:44,791 because I don't mind giving others grace , but I know everything I've ever done. 78 00:03:45,558 --> 00:03:47,360 You hold yourself to our standard, too. 79 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,230 It's just a difficult thing to get around. 80 00:03:50,430 --> 00:03:54,033 Isn't it amazing that God knows everything you've ever done to, and he's forgiven 81 00:03:54,033 --> 00:03:55,201 all of that? Yeah. 82 00:03:55,201 --> 00:03:58,738 I mean, I can probably think of three different times in my life. 83 00:03:58,738 --> 00:04:00,473 I should have been dead. 84 00:04:00,473 --> 00:04:01,441 Oh, wow. 85 00:04:01,441 --> 00:04:03,977 Like legitimately then? My goodness. 86 00:04:04,010 --> 00:04:04,744 Maybe. four. 87 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:07,113 So he's been way better to me than I deserve. 88 00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:09,415 Do you still beat yourself up over those? 89 00:04:09,415 --> 00:04:11,684 Are you learning to forgive yourself through that? 90 00:04:11,718 --> 00:04:16,055 I don't beat myself up over him because most of them were just stupid decisions. 91 00:04:16,422 --> 00:04:17,056 And I don't. 92 00:04:17,056 --> 00:04:17,557 I don't care. 93 00:04:17,557 --> 00:04:18,291 We've all done that. 94 00:04:18,291 --> 00:04:20,627 I don't mind stupid decisions, man. 95 00:04:20,627 --> 00:04:22,362 Repeated stupid decisions. 96 00:04:22,362 --> 00:04:24,530 That's it right there. That's good. That's good. 97 00:04:24,931 --> 00:04:26,532 That's really good. That'll preach. 98 00:04:26,532 --> 00:04:29,902 So Wayne, how does your Christianity and your leadership 99 00:04:29,902 --> 00:04:32,772 at the your workplace, how do they come together? 100 00:04:32,905 --> 00:04:35,975 Well, I try to just kind of keep to myself 101 00:04:36,209 --> 00:04:40,747 not cause too much trouble and always be there for people. 102 00:04:41,014 --> 00:04:44,684 And as it happens, there are a couple of people 103 00:04:44,851 --> 00:04:47,220 that will ask me scriptural questions. 104 00:04:47,387 --> 00:04:51,524 I sometimes get questions about their faith or they're considering 105 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:52,959 becoming a Christian, 106 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:55,061 so they do a lot of research and they've said, I'm 107 00:04:55,061 --> 00:04:57,563 the only person that they know that they can ask these questions 108 00:04:57,597 --> 00:05:00,633 of their obvious of your faith and haven't . 109 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:01,567 Yes, that's right. 110 00:05:01,567 --> 00:05:04,437 How do they know that you live your faith out loud? 111 00:05:04,437 --> 00:05:06,239 I'm assuming I trust. 112 00:05:06,239 --> 00:05:09,275 I'll also talk about some things you don't like compliments. 113 00:05:09,275 --> 00:05:12,011 So do you know, not really compliments, but 114 00:05:12,645 --> 00:05:15,481 that's a gift for people to see that in you. 115 00:05:15,481 --> 00:05:17,250 That's powerful. Amen. 116 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:18,184 It's one of. 117 00:05:18,184 --> 00:05:22,055 Are things where I've been told that I'm not approachable before, 118 00:05:22,055 --> 00:05:24,557 so I spend a lot of time trying to kind to work on that 119 00:05:24,957 --> 00:05:27,226 because I don't see that in you and I don't either. 120 00:05:27,226 --> 00:05:28,361 I absolutely don't. 121 00:05:28,361 --> 00:05:30,830 I totally think that you're very approachable. 122 00:05:30,863 --> 00:05:32,432 You know, that's a really good Segway, Wayne. 123 00:05:32,432 --> 00:05:36,002 Why don't you tell us your salvation story so that I actually take place? 124 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:39,872 I think I was 18, 19, 99, and I don't remember, 125 00:05:40,006 --> 00:05:43,609 you know, my parents had gotten divorced and that was difficult. 126 00:05:43,710 --> 00:05:47,680 So your parents are one of the few couples that divorced and remarried, right? Yes. 127 00:05:48,147 --> 00:05:50,149 So you're they're still together. 128 00:05:50,249 --> 00:05:51,451 They're still together. 129 00:05:51,451 --> 00:05:52,418 I did not know that. 130 00:05:52,418 --> 00:05:53,252 That's amazing. 131 00:05:53,252 --> 00:05:54,420 Yeah, it's rare. 132 00:05:54,420 --> 00:05:56,689 So that made things a little difficult. 133 00:05:56,723 --> 00:05:59,792 You know, trying to finish high school ended up attempting 134 00:05:59,792 --> 00:06:02,895 suicide before I graduated high school. 135 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:05,732 So do you mind if I ask you a question about that now? 136 00:06:05,732 --> 00:06:07,767 What? What drove you to that? 137 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,670 What made that seem to be the only option for you? 138 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:14,273 I just was tired of hurting, tired of hurting, and that's so powerful. 139 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,910 If you are living in that kind of mindset, then you're hurting. 140 00:06:17,910 --> 00:06:19,946 So if you have someone out there listening right now 141 00:06:19,946 --> 00:06:21,748 who's tired of hurting, what would you say? 142 00:06:21,748 --> 00:06:24,984 I mean, there's not some mystical answer to that. 143 00:06:25,118 --> 00:06:25,718 That's true. 144 00:06:25,718 --> 00:06:27,954 You just got a hold on them. Reach out to people. 145 00:06:28,121 --> 00:06:30,757 There was a lady that I knew in high school. 146 00:06:30,890 --> 00:06:32,492 She was a year younger than me. 147 00:06:32,492 --> 00:06:36,162 We would talk for hours at a time, any time, day or night because she knew 148 00:06:36,262 --> 00:06:37,263 how bad it was. 149 00:06:37,263 --> 00:06:40,666 Oh yeah, sometimes relationships like that are so helpful. 150 00:06:40,700 --> 00:06:44,203 So it was that kind of what made you decide not to go that way? 151 00:06:44,270 --> 00:06:45,138 Yeah, for sure. 152 00:06:45,138 --> 00:06:46,105 That was a big part of it. 153 00:06:46,105 --> 00:06:48,741 That's awesome. And, you know, she was a Christian. 154 00:06:48,941 --> 00:06:50,243 Her parents are Christians. 155 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:54,781 And I remember probably the 30th of October, 156 00:06:55,014 --> 00:06:58,651 I had this overwhelming feeling that I needed to go out 157 00:06:59,652 --> 00:07:02,722 again 18 years old trick or treating 158 00:07:02,722 --> 00:07:06,726 to to her house because of her parents. 159 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:11,030 And it was at that point I knew that I needed to accept Jesus 160 00:07:11,030 --> 00:07:14,901 because she'd been speaking a lot of that into my into my life. 161 00:07:14,967 --> 00:07:20,406 So on Halloween that year, her dad led me in prayer for salvation. 162 00:07:20,473 --> 00:07:22,408 Hey, man, that's amazing. 163 00:07:22,408 --> 00:07:24,710 Hey, man. So then what happened after that? 164 00:07:24,777 --> 00:07:25,711 Then I got plugged into 165 00:07:25,711 --> 00:07:29,282 Central Baptist, met Donna Wainwright and just kind of took off from there. 166 00:07:29,582 --> 00:07:30,850 It's not been a perfect journey. 167 00:07:30,850 --> 00:07:33,152 Oh, no, no, there's no. So it's not even close. 168 00:07:33,386 --> 00:07:35,688 He has gotten me through the darkest times. 169 00:07:35,721 --> 00:07:36,355 Amen. 170 00:07:36,355 --> 00:07:38,858 Some of them have created some of them. 171 00:07:38,858 --> 00:07:40,593 I but I've made. 172 00:07:40,593 --> 00:07:41,928 Yeah, we've all made our own. 173 00:07:41,928 --> 00:07:44,063 Absolutely. That's an amazing story. 174 00:07:44,096 --> 00:07:45,898 It really is. Oh, here we go. 175 00:07:48,901 --> 00:07:50,403 I love that one. 176 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:55,575 So now I want to mention to our listeners 177 00:07:55,775 --> 00:07:59,212 that from most of the time Wayne 178 00:07:59,345 --> 00:08:02,882 does our Wednesday night Bible study, and he does a wonderful job with that. 179 00:08:03,249 --> 00:08:05,451 He is a fantastic teacher. Incredible. 180 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:07,887 And how long do you think we're going to spend on Genesis? 181 00:08:08,921 --> 00:08:13,192 It's we're trying to do a chapter a week. 182 00:08:13,192 --> 00:08:14,961 This week is Chapter 27. 183 00:08:14,961 --> 00:08:18,164 There's 50 chapters, so you've got 23 left, 184 00:08:18,164 --> 00:08:20,233 maybe 24 if you count this week. 185 00:08:21,467 --> 00:08:23,669 And let me tell you, he is thorough and in-depth. 186 00:08:23,669 --> 00:08:26,038 If you're looking for an academic study, this is the way to go. 187 00:08:26,038 --> 00:08:28,508 This is really intelligent. Yeah, hey man. 188 00:08:28,574 --> 00:08:29,809 Super intelligent. 189 00:08:29,809 --> 00:08:31,844 So long time you got a bet. 190 00:08:33,546 --> 00:08:34,947 That's good. 191 00:08:34,947 --> 00:08:35,381 So, Wayne, 192 00:08:35,381 --> 00:08:35,982 when you're doing 193 00:08:35,982 --> 00:08:37,650 those Bible studies on Wednesday night 194 00:08:37,650 --> 00:08:37,884 and you're 195 00:08:37,884 --> 00:08:41,921 getting into such technical detail, what do you do about getting tongue tied 196 00:08:41,921 --> 00:08:44,390 or making sure you don't say the wrong thing at the wrong time? 197 00:08:44,390 --> 00:08:45,491 Because we've all heard it? 198 00:08:46,592 --> 00:08:48,461 I follow Dave's advice. 199 00:08:48,461 --> 00:08:52,598 If you're not sure what the word is, pretend like you do. 200 00:08:53,032 --> 00:08:55,434 Yeah, say it anyway. Say it fast. 201 00:08:55,434 --> 00:08:57,603 I think, Dave, you've got a story you want to share with us 202 00:08:57,603 --> 00:09:01,674 about some things that have been misspoken where preachers, we always say things 203 00:09:01,674 --> 00:09:03,643 that sometimes we wish we could bring back. 204 00:09:03,643 --> 00:09:06,879 I don't know if you guys have ever experienced that late in life, 205 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:10,349 but in leadership, sometimes you are like, Oh man, I didn't mean to say that. 206 00:09:10,650 --> 00:09:13,886 And so my buddy, he was his name's Greg Bowen. 207 00:09:13,886 --> 00:09:15,388 He's gone on to heaven. 208 00:09:15,388 --> 00:09:21,527 one of my favorite people, he was trying to tell everybody inside 209 00:09:21,527 --> 00:09:24,997 and out of Ephesians the fat, the fiery 210 00:09:24,997 --> 00:09:28,234 darts of the devil and full of God. 211 00:09:28,267 --> 00:09:32,171 And what he ended up Sam was the diarrhea farts of the devil. 212 00:09:36,142 --> 00:09:38,778 And I say, Greg, what did you do next? 213 00:09:40,179 --> 00:09:43,549 Greg said, Goodbye, everybody. 214 00:09:43,549 --> 00:09:45,284 So on that note, 215 00:09:45,284 --> 00:09:49,455 I think we're going to say goodbye, everybody. 216 00:09:49,455 --> 00:09:50,556 I've got one. 217 00:09:50,856 --> 00:09:52,058 Go ahead. 218 00:09:52,258 --> 00:09:54,026 If folks, if you've got one better than that, 219 00:09:54,026 --> 00:09:57,196 we want to hear it go to lead twelve to overcome and contact us. 220 00:09:57,463 --> 00:09:58,798 I've got it here. 221 00:09:58,798 --> 00:10:00,833 I want to end on a real note. 222 00:10:01,434 --> 00:10:03,769 Wayne, what is your biggest praise for God 223 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:07,273 that I'm still alive and I still have a family? 224 00:10:08,307 --> 00:10:08,774 Amen. 225 00:10:08,774 --> 00:10:11,611 And he still uses me, and he does every day. 226 00:10:11,711 --> 00:10:12,812 I can vouch for that. 227 00:10:12,812 --> 00:10:14,747 I close with this in Proverbs. 228 00:10:14,747 --> 00:10:16,515 It says laughter is good medicine. 229 00:10:16,515 --> 00:10:19,919 We like to laugh and we like to cry because we like to trust Jesus 230 00:10:19,919 --> 00:10:21,354 and all that process. 231 00:10:21,354 --> 00:10:23,422 And so we're glad that you're hanging with this. 232 00:10:24,090 --> 00:10:26,726 Please let us know how we can bless you. 233 00:10:28,060 --> 00:10:31,063 Well, I'll let Chris do that for you. 234 00:10:31,063 --> 00:10:32,231 Token Will 235 00:10:33,366 --> 00:10:34,600 and Wayne will, too. 236 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,670 So we're excited that Wayne hanging out with this. 237 00:10:38,771 --> 00:10:39,772 Have a great weekend. 238 00:10:39,772 --> 00:10:40,906 God bless. 239 00:10:42,942 --> 00:10:46,445 This is an LBC production which stands for panels. 240 00:10:46,779 --> 00:10:51,150 You knew that or not, but it also stands for laughing because we're safe. 241 00:10:51,350 --> 00:10:54,754 But we kind of like the pounds, so I'm Chris will lift them 242 00:10:54,754 --> 00:10:57,857 and I will gain them and we will have a great time. 243 00:10:57,890 --> 00:10:58,591 Thanks for listening.