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Christian Leadership with Amy Hess

In this episode we discuss Christian Leadership with the Emmy Award winning and multi-talented actress, Amy Hess. Amy discusses topics like battling with anxiety, why aiming for perfection doesn’t work, don’t compare your behinds the scenes real to everyone else’s highlight real, you will never look into the eyes of someone God doesn’t love, and […]

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Christian Leadership with Amy Hess

In this episode we discuss Christian Leadership with the Emmy Award winning and multi-talented actress, Amy Hess. Amy discusses topics like battling with anxiety, why aiming for perfection doesn’t work, don’t compare your behinds the scenes real to everyone else’s highlight real, you will never look into the eyes of someone God doesn’t love, and […]

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00;00;18;10 - 00;00;20;20 This is Lead: 12:12 00;00;20;21 - 00;00;25;19 A podcast on Christ centered leadership based on Romans: 1212 00;00;25;23 - 00;00;29;25 rejoice in hope, be patient tribulation, the constant and prayer. 00;00;30;05 - 00;00;32;19 Thanks for listening! Here's Dave and Chris. 00;00;32;28 - 00;00;34;07 Hey, everybody! 00;00;34;07 - 00;00;36;25 Welcome to lead: 1212 00;00;36;25 - 00;00;40;27 We've got a new guest that we're excited to talk to today. 00;00;40;27 - 00;00;42;15 Chris, tell us all about our guest. 00;00;42;15 - 00;00;44;24 I am very excited to introduce this guest. 00;00;44;25 - 00;00;48;04 You may remember her from TV series like Beverly Hills. 00;00;48;04 - 00;00;50;13 90 210, The Wayans Brothers. 00;00;50;24 - 00;00;53;04 Or maybe you saw her on the Easter experience. 00;00;53;04 - 00;00;55;11 If you live in Kentucky, you definitely remember her 00;00;55;11 - 00;00;57;04 from the local traveler friends. 00;00;57;04 - 00;01;00;15 It's my pleasure to introduce a very talented Miss Amy Hess. 00;01;00;23 - 00;01;02;16 Amy, thanks for joining us. 00;01;02;16 - 00;01;04;14 Hi, thank you so much for having me. 00;01;04;14 - 00;01;06;11 I'm feel totally honored to be here. 00;01;06;11 - 00;01;08;16 We're glad to have you. Thanks for joining us. 00;01;08;20 - 00;01;10;29 So I've got a question I want to start right off with. 00;01;10;29 - 00;01;14;17 Can you tell me what it was like to play Mary Magdalene in the Easter experience? 00;01;14;27 - 00;01;18;10 Oh, goodness, that was such a gift. 00;01;18;11 - 00;01;23;04 Honestly, I felt, you know, although I couldn't relate to all of her 00;01;23;04 - 00;01;28;12 story personally, it just really helped kind of kind of flesh out 00;01;28;12 - 00;01;31;29 more of the Bible in a way that I just felt so connected to. 00;01;31;29 - 00;01;32;21 I mean, they're just 00;01;33;25 - 00;01;36;03 reading about Jesus 00;01;36;03 - 00;01;40;11 on the cross and being whipped and then being there and feeling those things 00;01;40;11 - 00;01;43;26 and seeing those things and living through that was 00;01;45;04 - 00;01;50;11 such a gift for my own personal walk and just my own connection to Jesus. 00;01;50;12 - 00;01;54;25 And so I just felt so much fuller to me to have experienced that. 00;01;54;25 - 00;01;56;06 So it was such a blessing. 00;01;56;06 - 00;01;57;03 And I am 00;01;57;03 - 00;02;01;12 I feel so honored that they even, you know, is being very pigment challenged. 00;02;02;21 - 00;02;05;17 I felt very honored 00;02;06;04 - 00;02;06;20 as that. 00;02;06;20 - 00;02;11;09 And so being able to just totally transform into someone else and 00;02;11;26 - 00;02;13;12 was just such a gift to, you know, 00;02;13;12 - 00;02;15;13 that was something that happens outside of Hollywood. 00;02;15;13 - 00;02;16;17 It wouldn't have happened there. 00;02;16;17 - 00;02;20;28 So it was definitely I felt very it was just a blessing. 00;02;21;10 - 00;02;23;10 So how do you prepare for something like that? 00;02;23;10 - 00;02;29;25 Well, a lot of prayer and just really, I think immersing yourself in it 00;02;29;25 - 00;02;34;15 so that you really try to understand what that must feel like. 00;02;34;15 - 00;02;36;11 And I think that's, you know, that's that's 00;02;36;11 - 00;02;39;17 the thing that connects all of us is this humanness, the human condition. 00;02;39;17 - 00;02;43;12 So it's just trying to really put yourself in someone else's shoes to say, 00;02;43;12 - 00;02;44;11 what would that feel like? 00;02;44;11 - 00;02;49;04 Let me feel those feelings and let me try to connect 00;02;49;16 - 00;02;53;18 in a way that will be the kind of a vessel for other people. 00;02;53;19 - 00;02;55;28 Oh yeah, those feelings and feel those things? 00;02;56;02 - 00;02;57;25 Absolutely. That's awesome. 00;02;57;25 - 00;02;59;24 Hey, Amy, I'm Dave. 00;02;59;24 - 00;03;02;16 Tell us a little bit about your salvation story. 00;03;02;29 - 00;03;05;28 So I grew up in a Christian home, 00;03;06;18 - 00;03;09;29 but it wasn't really until I went to California at 18 00;03;10;03 - 00;03;14;00 that I experienced kind of what Oswald Chambers calls a white funeral. 00;03;14;01 - 00;03;16;26 This is this idea that, you know, you're essentially like, 00;03;16;29 - 00;03;18;08 you're dying to yourself. 00;03;18;08 - 00;03;20;23 It's the death of your old life. Right? 00;03;20;23 - 00;03;23;16 And so, you know, I lived in the Bible belt. 00;03;23;20 - 00;03;26;24 I went to church, but my faith was super compartmentalized. 00;03;26;24 - 00;03;28;10 It was kind of like, Well, I did on Sunday, 00;03;28;10 - 00;03;30;21 and then I walked away, and I don't really think about it. 00;03;30;21 - 00;03;35;08 And so sure, when you live in L.A., you really have to be on fire. 00;03;35;08 - 00;03;38;22 At least for me, I felt like it was really hard to kind of sleepwalk 00;03;38;22 - 00;03;39;07 through that. 00;03;39;07 - 00;03;45;08 So I think being on fire, it made me really want to kind of permeate 00;03;45;08 - 00;03;48;16 every part of my body, like, let's let's get all the nooks and crannies 00;03;48;16 - 00;03;52;12 in there and get Christ to be kind of intermingled and all of that. 00;03;52;12 - 00;03;52;29 Hey, man, know 00;03;52;29 - 00;03;57;07 that it's not just one part of my life, it's the fullness of who I am. 00;03;58;00 - 00;04;00;11 So I didn't have like a road to Damascus. 00;04;00;11 - 00;04;04;01 Conversion is like I'm a completely different person, but 00;04;04;14 - 00;04;06;11 there was a point that I can look back to 00;04;06;11 - 00;04;08;06 and say, This is really when this happened. 00;04;08;06 - 00;04;10;00 This was when the rubber hits the road. 00;04;10;00 - 00;04;10;15 And I was like, 00;04;10;15 - 00;04;14;13 I've got to figure out what I'm doing because I'm out here by myself. 00;04;14;16 - 00;04;16;24 I'm 18. I don't know anybody. 00;04;16;24 - 00;04;18;03 And it's a scary place. 00;04;18;03 - 00;04;20;05 And really the catalyst was anxiety. 00;04;20;05 - 00;04;24;16 I think that's what God used for me so that I could get to the end of myself. 00;04;24;17 - 00;04;27;18 Wow. I needed to reach out for God, but 00;04;27;18 - 00;04;31;20 I wasn't going to do that, so I got to the end of all my own resources. Wow. 00;04;32;01 - 00;04;33;17 That's that's a beautiful way. 00;04;33;17 - 00;04;35;26 Sometimes God can use anxiety. That's wonderful. 00;04;35;28 - 00;04;37;24 So Amy, what are you passionate about? 00;04;37;24 - 00;04;40;04 And the first thing that comes to mind is authenticity. 00;04;40;07 - 00;04;44;26 You know, I feel like wanting that kind of authentic relationship, just thoughts. 00;04;44;27 - 00;04;45;19 It's like the human 00;04;45;19 - 00;04;49;05 condition of authenticity, I guess kind of the way those inner intersect. 00;04;49;26 - 00;04;52;21 I see that common thread just kind of through my career 00;04;53;08 - 00;04;57;03 being attracted to acting, of course, you know, wanting to be authentic 00;04;57;03 - 00;04;59;28 and how I'm relating these people and their stories. 00;05;00;06 - 00;05;03;14 But then as a producer to just wanting to make sure 00;05;03;14 - 00;05;07;14 that I am connecting the audience with people that I'm talking to 00;05;07;20 - 00;05;10;29 and kind of make sure that they have this authenticity that's shown. 00;05;11;08 - 00;05;14;17 So I really like telling stories in a way that just connects people. 00;05;14;17 - 00;05;17;22 And really, what I'm doing now with the bootcamp is connect. 00;05;17;26 - 00;05;18;14 With women 00;05;18;14 - 00;05;21;20 and trying to make sure that I'm understanding where they're coming from 00;05;21;20 - 00;05;24;21 and that I'm real about expectations for help 00;05;24;24 - 00;05;26;20 and kind of how they can be in better health. 00;05;26;20 - 00;05;30;20 So and letting them know that it's not about perfection, that's an illusion. 00;05;30;20 - 00;05;31;29 This is a work in progress. 00;05;31;29 - 00;05;36;20 And I think that relates back to our walk with Jesus and any man down perfectly. 00;05;36;20 - 00;05;39;27 This is we're all kind of just working and making progress. 00;05;40;03 - 00;05;41;15 Tell us more about your boot camp. 00;05;42;27 - 00;05;44;17 So it's an it's 00;05;44;17 - 00;05;48;27 an online boot camp, and we work with ladies to just try to help 00;05;48;27 - 00;05;53;06 them have better health, just with better nutritious eating and exercise. 00;05;53;07 - 00;05;56;12 We're more encouraging of kind of where they are and not like, 00;05;56;12 - 00;05;59;08 you need to be here or look this way, but more. 00;05;59;17 - 00;06;00;18 How do you feel? 00;06;00;18 - 00;06;03;11 You want more energy. You want to have better health. 00;06;03;12 - 00;06;05;02 Here are some ways that you can do that. 00;06;05;02 - 00;06;08;19 And today was a train wreck of a day that's going to happen. 00;06;08;19 - 00;06;10;01 It went off the rails. 00;06;10;01 - 00;06;13;19 Here's how you can get back on track, and here's how you can give yourself grace 00;06;13;28 - 00;06;17;02 because you you deserve to give yourself some grace. 00;06;17;02 - 00;06;18;19 You're not going to be perfect. 00;06;18;19 - 00;06;23;02 I actually find it's such an amazing ministry for me to pray with ladies. 00;06;23;02 - 00;06;25;01 Wonderful to pray for ladies. 00;06;25;01 - 00;06;28;02 Some of them are in a place where they they feel like 00;06;28;02 - 00;06;31;03 they're at the end of their rope, and I know what that feels like. Wow. 00;06;31;04 - 00;06;33;12 So how could someone sign up for that if they wanted to? 00;06;33;21 - 00;06;37;25 That is trim boot camp dot com so they can just go online and take a look at that. 00;06;38;12 - 00;06;39;05 Very good. 00;06;39;05 - 00;06;40;06 Awesome. 00;06;40;06 - 00;06;43;08 Hey, quick sidebar, have you watched the chosen? 00;06;43;08 - 00;06;45;15 Have you been able to see that yet? 00;06;45;15 - 00;06;47;20 Yes, and it's so wonderful. 00;06;47;21 - 00;06;49;27 I've really loved it at first, it kind of bothered me. 00;06;49;27 - 00;06;53;15 I will be honest because I just thought, this is not forever. 00;06;54;04 - 00;06;56;20 When we talk about authenticity, I was like, 00;06;56;20 - 00;06;57;27 they weren't talking like this. 00;06;57;27 - 00;07;00;06 No one was using these kind of phrases. 00;07;00;06 - 00;07;04;26 And so at first it irritated me was, this is this is a historically accurate, 00;07;04;26 - 00;07;05;13 you know? 00;07;05;17 - 00;07;08;15 But then my husband said, You have to think of it like the message. 00;07;08;21 - 00;07;11;23 And as soon as you said that, I went, Yep, you're right, this is the message, 00;07;11;23 - 00;07;12;20 and that's awesome. 00;07;12;20 - 00;07;16;28 And this makes it more relatable for people making something that they can 00;07;17;06 - 00;07;21;04 kind of understand and kind of just levels the playing field a little bit. 00;07;21;04 - 00;07;24;25 So then that the real message and heart and intent gets communicated 00;07;24;25 - 00;07;25;21 and that I loved it. 00;07;25;21 - 00;07;26;26 Yes, I get that. 00;07;26;26 - 00;07;27;19 I totally get that. 00;07;27;19 - 00;07;28;22 Eugene Peterson. 00;07;28;22 - 00;07;32;14 He's I love the message, but there are moments 00;07;32;14 - 00;07;35;09 that you have to make sure that it matches up and looks, 00;07;35;27 - 00;07;39;07 you know, like it's supposed to look like it usually always does for me 00;07;39;07 - 00;07;40;29 and just takes me a minute to figure it out. 00;07;40;29 - 00;07;45;07 I'm a little bit slower, so I thought I thought the chosen was good. 00;07;45;10 - 00;07;48;19 My favorite one was the woman at the well, that's always my favorite story 00;07;48;19 - 00;07;49;06 in the way they did. 00;07;49;06 - 00;07;51;12 That, I thought was pretty interesting. So. 00;07;52;00 - 00;07;54;19 So what is God calling you to stop? 00;07;55;11 - 00;07;59;03 So for me, it's self-reliance and so. 00;07;59;07 - 00;07;59;24 Interesting. 00;07;59;24 - 00;08;03;21 And that's probably why God used anxiety and I had to get into myself, right? 00;08;03;22 - 00;08;06;19 That's it's it's a sore spot for me. 00;08;07;07 - 00;08;09;08 I like to research. I like to problem solve. 00;08;09;08 - 00;08;12;00 I like to get in there and kind of fix it myself. 00;08;12;11 - 00;08;15;17 And so my first instinct is I can tell my own problems. 00;08;15;17 - 00;08;17;06 I'm going to get in there and figure it out. 00;08;17;06 - 00;08;20;07 And I consume information and I'm very analytical. 00;08;20;07 - 00;08;22;04 So it's like, I want to get in there and do it all. 00;08;22;04 - 00;08;25;10 And it's I have access to 00;08;25;10 - 00;08;28;04 the ultimate problem solver, 24-7. 00;08;28;10 - 00;08;33;19 Yet my first instinct is to rely on me like, I'm going to Google it instead of 00;08;33;19 - 00;08;37;10 go to the Bible, which is basically this Adobe space to Google, right? 00;08;37;11 - 00;08;38;14 Well, put. Yes. 00;08;40;02 - 00;08;41;13 So I have a 19 year old. 00;08;41;13 - 00;08;43;09 She struggles with anxiety, too. 00;08;43;09 - 00;08;46;24 And so like these, these teenagers that are going through 00;08;46;24 - 00;08;50;08 all the social stuff that we I didn't grow up with. 00;08;50;21 - 00;08;54;15 How would you talk to them to a 19 year old or 20 year old you? 00;08;54;19 - 00;08;58;17 Well, first of all, that perfection is an illusion that's not real. 00;08;58;25 - 00;09;00;10 You shouldn't even aim for that. 00;09;00;10 - 00;09;03;22 We're really trying to aim for for connecting with God, 00;09;03;24 - 00;09;07;22 living for him and loving others and telling others about Jesus. 00;09;07;22 - 00;09;10;15 And just, you know, it's progress. It's just trying. 00;09;10;15 - 00;09;11;23 That is that trajectory. 00;09;11;23 - 00;09;14;21 It's not like you've achieved this and you need to be perfect. 00;09;14;28 - 00;09;18;03 And actually, that it's in this took a while 00;09;18;04 - 00;09;22;04 took me to be at the age that I am now to understand that 00;09;22;04 - 00;09;26;20 actually weakness is more attractive and being real is more attractive. 00;09;26;25 - 00;09;28;26 Being authentic is more attracted to people 00;09;28;26 - 00;09;32;15 because people can't relate to you if you're perfect. 00;09;32;21 - 00;09;34;02 I mean, no, it's not real. 00;09;34;02 - 00;09;36;27 But even if it was, that's not attractive to people. 00;09;36;27 - 00;09;40;29 People don't want to follow Jesus because you're perfect. 00;09;41;08 - 00;09;44;15 People will want to follow Jesus because you're struggling, 00;09;44;15 - 00;09;48;27 because you're imperfect, because you know where to go to be made whole. 00;09;48;28 - 00;09;50;04 Right? Absolutely. 00;09;50;04 - 00;09;55;19 So I would definitely say, you know, don't don't aim for perfection and then don't 00;09;55;19 - 00;09;59;22 compare your behind the scenes real to everyone else's highlight reel. 00;10;00;11 - 00;10;03;10 You know, social media is all it's all the highlight reel. 00;10;03;10 - 00;10;04;27 It's like your sizzle reel, right? 00;10;04;27 - 00;10;07;02 Yeah, all your best stuff out there. 00;10;07;09 - 00;10;10;25 But then you're looking at all of that that you know, you're behind the scenes 00;10;10;25 - 00;10;13;13 stuff all the times you flubbed line or that you 00;10;13;24 - 00;10;16;19 that you messed up or that you were hitting your mark or 00;10;16;27 - 00;10;20;17 or that just real stuff happened that was really hard and terrible. 00;10;20;21 - 00;10;24;00 And you're comparing that with their best highlights. 00;10;24;01 - 00;10;25;13 I mean, it's not really fair. 00;10;25;13 - 00;10;26;08 That's so true. 00;10;26;08 - 00;10;28;01 And that happens all the time, too. 00;10;28;01 - 00;10;31;02 Say, OK, I'm going to ask you the opposite of what I just ask you, Amy. 00;10;31;02 - 00;10;33;05 What is God calling you to start? 00;10;33;05 - 00;10;36;20 OK, so I feel like in the same vein where I'm quick 00;10;36;20 - 00;10;40;07 to just jump in and be the driver of the vehicle. 00;10;40;22 - 00;10;43;24 I feel like what I need to start doing more is praying first. 00;10;44;02 - 00;10;47;02 So and the reason why is because wanting 00;10;47;02 - 00;10;50;11 to learn things and learning and reading and all that stuff is great, right? 00;10;50;11 - 00;10;52;24 I think, you know, amassing the knowledge and consuming all. 00;10;52;24 - 00;10;54;02 That's awesome. 00;10;54;07 - 00;10;55;25 But where is it growing from? 00;10;55;25 - 00;10;59;22 Is it growing out of a self reliance or is it growing out of something 00;10;59;22 - 00;11;00;26 God centered? 00;11;00;26 - 00;11;03;18 And so I feel like praying first 00;11;03;23 - 00;11;07;05 would help to make sure that my postures in the right position 00;11;07;05 - 00;11;12;10 so that it would set the tone for being God centered and it would take 00;11;12;10 - 00;11;15;24 the emphasis off me being the one that's in power to solve my problem. 00;11;15;26 - 00;11;18;09 I love that. That is wonderful advice. Wow. 00;11;18;28 - 00;11;21;13 So kind of going along with that, 00;11;21;13 - 00;11;25;01 how do you guard yourself against sin against falling against? 00;11;25;10 - 00;11;27;11 I think you've kind of named it throughout 00;11;27;11 - 00;11;29;16 all everything we've already talked about. 00;11;29;16 - 00;11;32;15 But what are some things that you use to kind of help you get through it? 00;11;32;26 - 00;11;37;07 Well, you know, being a student of God's word is is a good one. 00;11;37;07 - 00;11;40;12 I'm in Bible Fellowship and I love it, and I feel like 00;11;40;12 - 00;11;43;16 we have this instruction manual for life, right? 00;11;43;16 - 00;11;45;02 So using that? 00;11;45;02 - 00;11;46;08 That's a great one, 00;11;46;08 - 00;11;50;18 then I think the other one would be accountability, having relationships that 00;11;50;18 - 00;11;55;10 are ongoing with people who are honest and have God honoring relationships, 00;11;55;14 - 00;11;59;02 they can speak into your lives and see things that you can't always see. 00;11;59;02 - 00;12;01;24 And so making sure that you have those people helps. 00;12;01;24 - 00;12;05;19 And I and I think for my part, it has to be I can't be above reproach, 00;12;05;19 - 00;12;05;26 right? 00;12;05;26 - 00;12;09;10 I have to be willing to know that I'm going to mess up. 00;12;09;11 - 00;12;12;06 And, you know, we're all sinners. We all fall short. 00;12;12;06 - 00;12;16;06 So you can't be so enamored with yourself to think that you're above sin 00;12;16;06 - 00;12;18;09 because that's exactly where the enemy wants us. 00;12;18;13 - 00;12;22;07 As soon as we see this, we think that it's not going to happen to us. 00;12;22;13 - 00;12;23;18 That's when it will. 00;12;23;18 - 00;12;26;17 He will strike because pride comes before the fall, 00;12;26;18 - 00;12;30;06 so I think you have to be able to be spoken to too. 00;12;30;10 - 00;12;32;10 Absolutely. Amen. 00;12;32;10 - 00;12;35;18 You know, from time to time, we all have to have difficult conversations 00;12;35;18 - 00;12;37;10 and that can really be trying. 00;12;37;10 - 00;12;40;21 What do you do to make sure that a difficult conversation stays productive? 00;12;40;26 - 00;12;44;28 So for this, I think I have to really I have to start 00;12;44;28 - 00;12;49;17 by differentiating from where I am and where God is in the situation. 00;12;49;17 - 00;12;53;06 And what I mean by that is I coming from a place of God's love? 00;12;53;18 - 00;12;57;21 Or am I operating out of my own kind of shallow pool of humanness, right? 00;12;57;23 - 00;12;59;03 Because that's there, 00;12;59;03 - 00;13;00;10 and that's going to get in the way 00;13;00;10 - 00;13;03;12 and compete for coming from a God centered place. 00;13;03;13 - 00;13;06;21 And so I've heard it said before that you'll never look into the eyes 00;13;06;21 - 00;13;08;21 of someone that God doesn't love. Amen. 00;13;08;21 - 00;13;12;15 And I think that's a great mindset and starting point for anything 00;13;12;15 - 00;13;15;18 because there's no way to have a productive conversation, to have a God 00;13;15;18 - 00;13;18;21 honoring conversation, particularly a difficult line 00;13;18;21 - 00;13;22;23 or a confrontational one without having that be the first step. 00;13;22;28 - 00;13;26;20 So it's just that remembering and just kind of reminding yourself 00;13;26;20 - 00;13;29;17 that that person you're talking to is made in the image of God, 00;13;29;22 - 00;13;32;14 and he loves that person just as much as he loves you. 00;13;32;22 - 00;13;36;27 I think if you can start there, then that's a great, great starting point. 00;13;37;07 - 00;13;38;23 Actually, man, that's beautiful there. 00;13;38;23 - 00;13;42;07 A character in the Bible that you relate to more than others, maybe, 00;13;42;07 - 00;13;44;14 or someone that you kind of go to every once in a while. 00;13;44;24 - 00;13;46;27 You know, rehab comes to mind a lot. 00;13;46;27 - 00;13;49;21 And the reason I like her is not necessarily because I relate to her 00;13;49;29 - 00;13;52;11 or Mary Magdalene, but those two come to mind most 00;13;52;25 - 00;13;57;25 because I feel like now more than ever this this last season. 00;13;57;25 - 00;14;01;22 With all this stuff going on, I felt very alone. 00;14;01;22 - 00;14;04;05 I just felt like I was going against the grain all the time. 00;14;04;06 - 00;14;08;12 I mean, I feel like I was never, never going the same direction as anyone else. 00;14;08;13 - 00;14;11;18 It was just like, no matter what community I was in or whatever, it was like, 00;14;11;20 - 00;14;13;24 Oh, I kind of I see things different. 00;14;13;24 - 00;14;16;11 I feel like maybe we've lost sight 00;14;16;11 - 00;14;19;20 of what's important and what we're doing and how to comes from this 00;14;19;20 - 00;14;20;14 place of love and. 00;14;20;14 - 00;14;23;12 And so it was kind of a lonely season, really. 00;14;23;13 - 00;14;28;14 And so this idea of in really the chosen kind of talks about this, this idea 00;14;28;14 - 00;14;31;22 of doing it differently, seeing things differently , being different. 00;14;32;00 - 00;14;36;11 And when I think about the Bible and and back in those days, 00;14;36;11 - 00;14;38;29 the Pharisees and all of that and it was different, 00;14;38;29 - 00;14;41;04 Jesus is different the way desert is different. 00;14;41;04 - 00;14;44;29 We're never going to understand how he's going to do, and we can't begin to think 00;14;44;29 - 00;14;48;17 that we know how he's going to intercede or how he's going to act. 00;14;48;17 - 00;14;53;22 And so I feel like Rahab was totally unique and different choice 00;14;53;22 - 00;14;57;01 for how to get in there and kind of save the day. 00;14;57;01 - 00;15;01;07 And so we would have thought that it would be someone that was in this high, 00;15;01;07 - 00;15;05;14 powerful position or that they would be the most holy of holies. 00;15;05;19 - 00;15;09;13 And yet God got in there all the time and use these people who you would 00;15;09;13 - 00;15;13;18 never have thought would be the ones that could be used and would be used. 00;15;13;18 - 00;15;14;09 And so I don't know. 00;15;14;09 - 00;15;17;02 I like that that idea that it's different than you think. 00;15;17;21 - 00;15;19;18 That's amazing. I do, too. 00;15;19;18 - 00;15;24;15 God always surprises me with those songs and who he uses, even when he uses me. 00;15;24;17 - 00;15;25;29 And there you go. 00;15;25;29 - 00;15;28;26 Tell me about Tell me about some of the trophies behind you there. 00;15;28;27 - 00;15;30;03 Oh gosh. 00;15;30;07 - 00;15;33;02 There are some, some Emmys couple tallies, 00;15;33;02 - 00;15;36;26 and there's some awards from when I worked at Katy. 00;15;36;26 - 00;15;40;05 So those were television based awards. 00;15;40;12 - 00;15;42;18 You really like talking about yourself, don't you? 00;15;42;24 - 00;15;43;17 No, she does. 00;15;44;22 - 00;15;45;09 It's easy. 00;15;45;09 - 00;15;48;26 It's like. Oh, no, I'm sorry about that. 00;15;48;26 - 00;15;51;15 I saw I was like, Oh, I better take that one back. 00;15;51;18 - 00;15;52;20 I'm sorry. 00;15;52;20 - 00;15;54;26 Hey, you know, it's pretty impressive. 00;15;55;10 - 00;15;56;26 Yeah. That's amazing. 00;15;56;26 - 00;15;59;11 Any chance we'll see more local travel or anytime soon? 00;15;59;15 - 00;16;00;05 I don't know. 00;16;00;05 - 00;16;03;16 You know, there was a time there where I felt like 00;16;03;16 - 00;16;07;13 I started to kind of realize I wanted to pivot a little bit. 00;16;07;13 - 00;16;11;17 I mean, the whole purpose of wanting to the local traveler was I felt like these 00;16;11;17 - 00;16;15;01 mom and pop shops were not getting enough marketing 00;16;15;01 - 00;16;16;22 because they just didn't have the money to do it. 00;16;16;22 - 00;16;20;17 And it was hard to compete with Wal-Mart and McDonald's and against those places 00;16;20;23 - 00;16;22;15 love those places too. Right. 00;16;22;15 - 00;16;24;03 But there's, you know, you want, 00;16;24;03 - 00;16;26;11 you want the mom and pop places to survive as well. 00;16;26;11 - 00;16;30;19 And so what really was the catalyst for that was just wanting to make sure 00;16;30;19 - 00;16;33;28 that those people had a voice and that we could invest in people 00;16;33;28 - 00;16;37;04 in our own community and really help keep those businesses afloat. 00;16;37;04 - 00;16;39;19 So that was great and that went on for several seasons. 00;16;39;19 - 00;16;41;15 And then I thought, you know, 00;16;41;15 - 00;16;44;29 I really feel like we don't concentrate enough on. 00;16;45;02 - 00;16;46;09 The good stuff out there, 00;16;46;09 - 00;16;49;08 and so then I thought, I want to do this show called Common Good. 00;16;49;19 - 00;16;52;27 And so I started to really kind of work towards that before I decided to 00;16;53;03 - 00;16;54;12 take a break altogether. 00;16;54;12 - 00;16;57;19 But if I were to come back, I'd want to do something about that. 00;16;57;19 - 00;17;03;22 Just the stories of of again, people and being the kind of human condition 00;17;03;22 - 00;17;05;01 and where we're all connecting 00;17;05;01 - 00;17;09;02 and where there's goodness out there, it's just not amplified as much. 00;17;09;02 - 00;17;11;13 So I just shined on it. 00;17;11;20 - 00;17;15;01 And so we hear about all the negative and all the bad stuff that's going 00;17;15;01 - 00;17;18;03 on, but there's so much more good than we realize. 00;17;18;09 - 00;17;19;24 So true. 00;17;19;24 - 00;17;21;07 So I've got another question for you 00;17;21;07 - 00;17;24;26 what are the most important nuts and bolts life lesson you can give me. 00;17;25;09 - 00;17;27;23 About the big questions? 00;17;27;23 - 00;17;29;21 I'm not sure that I have like. 00;17;29;21 - 00;17;31;02 You got five minutes or so. 00;17;33;07 - 00;17;36;07 But the thing that came to the gate comes to mind. 00;17;36;07 - 00;17;37;15 That's at least recent, right? 00;17;37;15 - 00;17;40;26 Something recent that I feel like it's been a good lesson is just 00;17;41;26 - 00;17;43;28 this idea that we need to stay humble 00;17;44;17 - 00;17;48;18 on four as as much as we do know, both on an individual level 00;17;48;18 - 00;17;49;25 and just as a group right? 00;17;49;25 - 00;17;53;20 And even as a group, as Christians, there's so much more that we don't know. 00;17;53;21 - 00;17;56;22 And so we kind of have to approach things from that posture. 00;17;56;22 - 00;18;02;13 I feel like we we we have this source for divine inspiration and all knowledge. 00;18;02;13 - 00;18;04;17 And so we don't need to feel hopeless about it. 00;18;04;27 - 00;18;07;15 But I think we need to know that we don't know it 00;18;07;15 - 00;18;10;24 and we need to remain humble and we need to admit that we don't know. 00;18;10;27 - 00;18;15;05 So because humility means that you're not impressed so much with yourself 00;18;15;15 - 00;18;19;22 and you're relying on another power, it's not in your own power. 00;18;19;22 - 00;18;23;28 And so you know you're more likely to turn to God when you really understand 00;18;24;03 - 00;18;27;12 kind of how small you are in the grand scheme of things. 00;18;27;21 - 00;18;30;20 Plus that whole knowledge thing that really didn't work out so well 00;18;30;20 - 00;18;31;10 for Adam and Eve. 00;18;31;10 - 00;18;34;05 So I figure, you know. And there you go. 00;18;34;17 - 00;18;35;21 Good point. True. 00;18;36;22 - 00;18;37;14 So is there 00;18;37;14 - 00;18;40;22 anything you just want to share with this leadership wise 00;18;40;22 - 00;18;44;16 or maybe advice about being a mom or family anything? 00;18;44;16 - 00;18;48;02 You just want to jump in and tell us some good insight on. 00;18;48;05 - 00;18;50;15 At first, when you know, when I was thinking 00;18;50;15 - 00;18;52;19 about Christian leadership, I was really hesitant. 00;18;52;23 - 00;18;53;24 This, you know, I was like, 00;18;53;24 - 00;18;57;00 I don't know if if I'm really the right person to do this. 00;18;57;01 - 00;19;01;05 So but as I sat with it longer, I realized that we're all a little Christ, right? 00;19;01;05 - 00;19;03;03 That's Christians, these little Christ. 00;19;03;03 - 00;19;07;28 And so we're all really called lead, and we're all called to lead others to Christ. 00;19;08;02 - 00;19;10;07 And that is our main. That's the main mission, right? 00;19;10;07 - 00;19;13;00 So when I thought about that and I thought that, OK, 00;19;13;00 - 00;19;15;23 and we're all part of the body, we all have different roles 00;19;15;23 - 00;19;17;21 and different ways that we're going to do that. 00;19;17;21 - 00;19;21;23 But collectively and individually, we need to be calling others to Christ. 00;19;21;23 - 00;19;23;28 We need to be leading others to Christ. 00;19;24;00 - 00;19;24;24 Amen. 00;19;24;24 - 00;19;27;13 And it's going to look different than the way that the world 00;19;27;13 - 00;19;28;24 would think of leadership, right? 00;19;28;24 - 00;19;30;14 You're thinking Jesus servant leader. 00;19;30;14 - 00;19;33;26 I mean, this is totally like the upside down thing. 00;19;33;26 - 00;19;36;10 And so so when I thought about it like that, I felt more comfortable. 00;19;36;10 - 00;19;39;22 And I think that's why this podcast is so valuable for your listeners, too. 00;19;39;22 - 00;19;43;24 Is that because we're all called elite learning how to do that effectively 00;19;44;01 - 00;19;47;06 and learning how to do that from a place of love is so important. 00;19;47;14 - 00;19;49;15 Amen. 100%. Amen. 00;19;49;25 - 00;19;51;01 So I know your time important. 00;19;51;01 - 00;19;53;00 I've got one last question for you, Amy. 00;19;53;00 - 00;19;55;02 What's your biggest praise for God? 00;19;55;02 - 00;19;58;27 My biggest praise for God would be that he turns everything. 00;19;58;28 - 00;20;02;20 All the mistakes, all the mistakes, all the things that you would think were 00;20;02;24 - 00;20;06;06 were bad or negative and to good for his purpose. 00;20;06;16 - 00;20;08;08 And so I just think that's really amazing. 00;20;08;08 - 00;20;11;16 When you think about it, it's kind of this this amazingly freeing 00;20;11;16 - 00;20;14;12 feeling to know that nothing is lost. 00;20;14;20 - 00;20;16;11 Nothing is hopeless. 00;20;16;11 - 00;20;17;06 When you're a believer, 00;20;17;06 - 00;20;20;27 you're walking in his will, he's going to turn all your mourning into dancing. 00;20;20;27 - 00;20;23;09 You know, he's going to finish the good work that you started in you. 00;20;23;18 - 00;20;25;24 It's always going to be a win 00;20;25;24 - 00;20;29;17 because he can bestow a crown of beauty from ashes, right? 00;20;29;17 - 00;20;30;01 So, yes. 00;20;30;01 - 00;20;32;26 So there's nothing that's lost there. I just love it. 00;20;32;26 - 00;20;37;07 Every every drop, every everything that you're going through. 00;20;37;15 - 00;20;39;17 He can turn that into something amazing. 00;20;39;19 - 00;20;40;29 And so I don't know. 00;20;40;29 - 00;20;43;03 That's just to me that just blows my mind. 00;20;43;06 - 00;20;45;04 Oh, it does. You know, it's so beautiful. 00;20;45;04 - 00;20;46;06 So beautiful. 00;20;46;06 - 00;20;47;01 Thank you so much. 00;20;47;01 - 00;20;49;28 Thank you so much. Oh, thank you. I am. 00;20;49;29 - 00;20;52;05 Thanks again for talking with me. It was really fun. 00;20;52;06 - 00;20;55;28 Oh, thanks for lightness, and thanks for just taking a few minutes out of your day. 00;20;55;29 - 00;20;58;14 We sure do appreciate it. Thank you. 00;21;00;29 - 00;21;01;22 This is an 00;21;01;22 - 00;21;04;15 LBC production which stands for pounds. 00;21;04;22 - 00;21;09;06 If you knew that or not, but it also stands for laughing because we're safe. 00;21;09;12 - 00;21;12;25 But we kind of like the pound, so Chris will lift them 00;21;12;25 - 00;21;15;27 and I will gain them and we will have a great time. 00;21;15;27 - 00;21;16;20 Thanks for listening.

In this episode we discuss Christian Leadership with the Emmy Award winning and multi-talented actress, Amy Hess. Amy discusses topics like battling with anxiety, why aiming for perfection doesn’t work, don’t compare your behinds the scenes real to everyone else’s highlight real, you will never look into the eyes of someone God doesn’t love, and the importance of staying humble.

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