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Talking Christian Leadership With Pat Miletich

In this episode we hang out with the legendary fighter and renowned coach Pat Miletich! Pat shares what motivates him, his coaching methods, Jesus going against organized religion, and when he knew it was time to retire from coaching. Pat discusses some of his life experiences, his two brothers suicides, and about God speaking to […]

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Talking Christian Leadership With Pat Miletich

In this episode we hang out with the legendary fighter and renowned coach Pat Miletich! Pat shares what motivates him, his coaching methods, Jesus going against organized religion, and when he knew it was time to retire from coaching. Pat discusses some of his life experiences, his two brothers suicides, and about God speaking to […]

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0 00:00:02,540 --> 00:00:02,740 1 00:00:08,540 --> 00:00:08,750 2 00:00:17,540 --> 00:00:24,430 This is lead 12 12. A podcast on christ centered leadership based on romans. 3 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:29,750 12 12, rejoice in hope, be patient tribulation, be constant in prayer. 4 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:31,240 Thanks for listening. 5 00:00:31,250 --> 00:00:35,750 -- Here's Dave and chris, Hey -- Everybody, you're listening to lead 12, 12. 6 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,760 Very excited. I'm gonna let Chris introduce our guests for you today. 7 00:00:40,140 --> 00:00:43,630 I am very excited to introduce a legend and mm 8 00:00:43,630 --> 00:00:47,750 a very talented coach and all around great guy, 9 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,780 a Masonic brother and someone I like to call friend Pat Miletich. 10 00:00:50,780 --> 00:00:52,860 Just with us folks, Pat, thanks for joining. 11 00:00:53,130 --> 00:00:55,520 -- We're glad to have you -- Absolutely 12 00:00:56,220 --> 00:00:57,220 bars on my phone 13 00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:03,470 -- at a grocery store. There you go. Well, -- fantastic. 14 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,220 -- So let me ask you, Pat, what really motivates -- you. 15 00:01:06,230 --> 00:01:07,240 Oh, you know, 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,960 there's a lot of things I think that motivate me to be honest with you chris, 17 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:13,520 I mean gravity motivates me to be honest with you getting out of bed Lovett, 18 00:01:13,530 --> 00:01:14,340 fighting gravity. 19 00:01:14,350 --> 00:01:18,960 -- You go love it, -- Trying to win that battle every day, number one. 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,260 So it starts right away. 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,750 But you know, my kids motivate me. My kids inspire me 22 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:25,560 the, 23 00:01:25,940 --> 00:01:26,960 trying to 24 00:01:27,340 --> 00:01:28,360 I've just always had this 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,760 gravitational 26 00:01:30,140 --> 00:01:31,160 all towards 27 00:01:31,940 --> 00:01:34,960 push whatever you wanna call it towards wanting to do something 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,760 to help people, something of significance, whatever I can do and 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,550 in life before before this thing's over and you know, it's, it's uh 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,060 always trying to reach for the stars. There's a lot of strikeouts, 31 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,770 you know, there's a lot of disappointment. 32 00:01:49,780 --> 00:01:53,500 I've always kind of been a home run hitter and I've struck out so many times. 33 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:54,660 It's incredible. So 34 00:01:55,140 --> 00:01:59,360 you know, there it is what it is, but that's a great way to put that away. 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,780 That's really good. 36 00:02:00,780 --> 00:02:04,500 That is a great way to put Bayberry struck out more than he hit home runs, 37 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:05,860 but he had a lot of home runs. 38 00:02:05,870 --> 00:02:07,360 So there you go. 39 00:02:07,370 --> 00:02:10,440 Um as a mentor and coach Pat, 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,700 how do you give criticism to someone 41 00:02:12,710 --> 00:02:15,500 without discouraging him without putting them down? 42 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:18,860 Trying to lift him up but still telling them they're wrong. 43 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:22,950 Uh same thing with kids. You know, when when uh 44 00:02:24,340 --> 00:02:26,870 you don't want to just say no, that's not how you do that. 45 00:02:27,340 --> 00:02:29,760 You know, it's it's you know what I can appreciate your effort. 46 00:02:29,770 --> 00:02:31,850 You're doing, you're doing this right, you're doing this right. 47 00:02:31,850 --> 00:02:33,550 But here let's try to work on this part. 48 00:02:34,140 --> 00:02:36,450 You know, stuff like that. You know, always try and say 49 00:02:37,340 --> 00:02:38,580 the part that they're doing right 50 00:02:38,820 --> 00:02:41,450 unless it's a kid that's about to stick their hand in the fire. 51 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:43,950 Um you know, anything short of that, 52 00:02:44,340 --> 00:02:45,500 tell them what they're doing right. 53 00:02:45,510 --> 00:02:48,560 You know like or you can even I guess approach it like look I get it, 54 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,800 your hands are cold but you probably don't want to do that. 55 00:02:50,810 --> 00:02:57,150 -- There you go. I -- got six kids. So that makes a lot of sense. I appreciate that 56 00:02:57,940 --> 00:02:58,860 -- we -- have, you know, 57 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,760 -- I've got three girls that's all I needed. -- There you go. 58 00:03:02,770 --> 00:03:07,560 We adopted all ours but I got three girls and three boys. So we're the brady bunch. 59 00:03:07,570 --> 00:03:13,930 So thank you sir. Thank you. So let me follow up on that as a coach. 60 00:03:13,930 --> 00:03:17,110 -- What's the best way to call out? Continual sloppy -- work. 61 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:17,680 Um, 62 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,640 put them with really good people that will either 63 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:21,360 make them better or they're going to quit. 64 00:03:22,270 --> 00:03:23,320 That's good. 65 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,760 If people, if people just don't, 66 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,360 I guess I said, I didn't even remember that. I said it, but one of my, 67 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,750 one of my affiliate schools, 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,150 Sandy Bowman from Canada 69 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,650 painted on the wall in his gym. 70 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,180 That said, 71 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,960 we show how much about yourself by the work ethic that you put in. It was the cloak. 72 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,560 And I didn't remember saying that, but 73 00:03:46,940 --> 00:03:48,650 sounds like something I'd say when I was, 74 00:03:49,140 --> 00:03:51,960 you know, maybe chewing somebody for. And I, 75 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,560 I remember, I didn't remember saying this until my, 76 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,130 one of my fighters reminded me of this. 77 00:03:57,130 --> 00:03:58,060 Well as well, 78 00:03:58,540 --> 00:04:01,860 Mike says in 11, she's got a very successful gym in Colorado Springs. 79 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,560 He fought in new york C and I fl and 80 00:04:04,570 --> 00:04:08,450 amazing black belt in Brazilian jiu just who was also 81 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:14,360 was a wrestler on the out east for a university out east 82 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,399 and uh, 83 00:04:16,410 --> 00:04:18,339 he was complaining one day and I didn't 84 00:04:18,339 --> 00:04:20,560 remember saying this to anybody laughs about it. 85 00:04:20,570 --> 00:04:23,550 Still he will talk about it every time I see. 86 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,860 And uh, I had been pouring concrete for four or five years 87 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,760 and then bartending and bouncing at night while I was training for fights, 88 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,760 I'd find a couple hours in between jobs 89 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,520 to go to the gym and train and then once I got a little better, 90 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,460 I could put one job and then I got better and put another job. 91 00:04:40,460 --> 00:04:41,960 I was making more money fighting. 92 00:04:42,340 --> 00:04:43,400 Then I eventually be able, 93 00:04:43,540 --> 00:04:45,690 I was able to quit pouring concrete as well 94 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:47,560 because that was my main income at the time. 95 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,160 He was complaining one day about being fatigued or whatever it was, 96 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:59,660 and I said, hey man, you can go for concrete if you want, you can leave right now, 97 00:05:00,340 --> 00:05:04,720 -- go out there and go out there for concrete and see how you like that. That's -- not easy. 98 00:05:04,730 --> 00:05:07,150 It's not, 99 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,090 I will say one thing about pouring concrete because we were 100 00:05:10,090 --> 00:05:13,360 doing a lot of flat work and a lot of highways. 101 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,060 So a lot of those giant steel highway forms 102 00:05:16,540 --> 00:05:17,160 and 103 00:05:17,540 --> 00:05:20,060 you know, running jackhammers and sledgehammers? 104 00:05:20,540 --> 00:05:23,150 So you get strong, I mean, you're just gonna get strong, 105 00:05:23,540 --> 00:05:26,530 throwing people around pretty easy when you're, 106 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:29,150 when you're training for fights doing concrete all day here, 107 00:05:30,140 --> 00:05:32,510 -- pretty capable of throwing stuff around, -- Love it. 108 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,510 I'm just gonna make sure that I'm your friend, both of you guys scare me a little bit. 109 00:05:37,510 --> 00:05:38,360 That's all right. 110 00:05:38,740 --> 00:05:44,130 So, next question, is it important to make someone feel appreciated and if so, 111 00:05:44,140 --> 00:05:45,500 how do you go about doing that? 112 00:05:45,510 --> 00:05:47,350 How do you, how does that work for you? 113 00:05:48,740 --> 00:05:50,310 You know, nobody's perfect at that. 114 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,630 And I've I've struck out numerous times in 115 00:05:52,630 --> 00:05:55,360 terms of making people feel appreciated and stuff. 116 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,850 I think I've gotten more in tune with that sort of thing. 117 00:05:58,860 --> 00:06:01,170 Um as the years have gone by as I've gotten older 118 00:06:01,170 --> 00:06:02,800 as I'm sure it does with a lot of people, 119 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:03,250 but just 120 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:05,460 um you know, I 121 00:06:05,940 --> 00:06:07,750 I listened to a guy give us, 122 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,360 he was giving a speech 123 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:10,950 and he had 124 00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:14,560 met up with somebody he hadn't seen in years, they had lunch 125 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,450 and got back in his car afterward. 126 00:06:18,940 --> 00:06:22,860 Um they shook hands, you know, all that sort of stuff, said goodbye 127 00:06:23,340 --> 00:06:25,950 and uh we got this car and he said, 128 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,440 you know, I should have told that person that I love him and that I appreciate it 129 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:31,860 and speed went and got a card 130 00:06:32,340 --> 00:06:36,560 at the store and he wrote everything in it and sent it to that person 131 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:37,850 and 132 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:40,660 he said he was in a down moment 133 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:42,660 like a week later 134 00:06:43,140 --> 00:06:44,560 and right when he was feeling a little a 135 00:06:44,570 --> 00:06:46,950 little depressed about some stuff that was going on, 136 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,390 he got a text message that they had received the 137 00:06:49,390 --> 00:06:51,780 card that they loved him and stuff like that. 138 00:06:51,780 --> 00:06:52,450 So it's just about 139 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,350 I think just trying to remember them too, 140 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:57,460 especially right now in history, 141 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:02,410 so many people are going through so many tough times, financially, you know, 142 00:07:02,410 --> 00:07:04,260 addiction, domestic abuse, 143 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,950 uh suicides, sickness. 144 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,160 Um you know, so many things that people are going through right now and uh 145 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,860 I can't think of a more important time in history. 146 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,070 -- Just let people know you care about them. You know. Gosh, -- that's so true. 147 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,080 Hey man, my mentor always said, people don't care how much, you know, 148 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,410 do they know how much you care? 149 00:07:24,420 --> 00:07:26,430 And I think that's a pretty important thing that you 150 00:07:26,430 --> 00:07:28,740 show that you and then you go about that. 151 00:07:28,750 --> 00:07:30,750 -- So -- yeah, like that. 152 00:07:30,860 --> 00:07:33,460 -- Thank -- you. That's good stuff. Thank you, Pat. 153 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,550 I'm gonna ask you a tough one. 154 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:38,720 Do you have a most important nuts and bolts lesson? 155 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,930 You can give just something that's about leadership. 156 00:07:41,930 --> 00:07:43,650 That's just quick for everyone. 157 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,000 You know, don't read your own press man, don't listen to tell you how great you are, 158 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:48,340 right? 159 00:07:48,350 --> 00:07:49,090 That is good. 160 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:52,630 You know, the the the ego can get involved really, 161 00:07:52,630 --> 00:07:56,330 really fast and I mean I learned lessons and coaching, you know, I don't, 162 00:07:56,340 --> 00:07:59,260 I help people help you, but I do mostly law enforcement 163 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,860 training now and I'll help local fighters out a little bit and fix some of the 164 00:08:04,340 --> 00:08:08,040 some of the problems with their, with their game and stuff like that. 165 00:08:08,050 --> 00:08:08,770 But for the most part, 166 00:08:09,340 --> 00:08:12,550 um, you know, you go on a run. Our team 167 00:08:13,340 --> 00:08:15,860 would go on a run and just destroy everybody from 168 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,260 months and months and months and months 169 00:08:18,580 --> 00:08:22,120 and then out of the blue, you know, you take an unexpected hit. 170 00:08:22,130 --> 00:08:23,860 You know, somebody, somebody gets taken out 171 00:08:24,340 --> 00:08:25,030 sort of thing. 172 00:08:25,030 --> 00:08:30,010 And so it's just and that that was something that I always in the back of my mind, 173 00:08:30,020 --> 00:08:31,260 you know, you don't want to fear it 174 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,159 because you sometimes you can make that stuff come true, you know, don't, 175 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,559 you know, you tell a kid, 176 00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:40,330 um, you know, don't drop that glass of water, don't drop that glass of water. 177 00:08:40,330 --> 00:08:42,220 Don't well there it goes because you program 178 00:08:42,220 --> 00:08:45,160 their brain every time that something is just, 179 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,250 you know, just just try and 180 00:08:47,740 --> 00:08:49,550 just try and be ready for the bad times. 181 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:51,660 You know, because you know, people, 182 00:08:51,670 --> 00:08:54,750 people underneath your tutelage can screw things up. 183 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,750 They can cause your problems. You know what you did happen when I was coaching, 184 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:02,560 um, that sort of thing. You know, it's just, you know, and we all make, 185 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:06,140 we all make mistakes. I've made, I've made plenty of mistakes over the past. 186 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:07,760 We all have five years. 187 00:09:07,770 --> 00:09:09,470 -- We all have a -- pet for our, 188 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,080 our people that listening that may not know how 189 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,660 many world champions have you trained in the UFC? 190 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,510 I think there were 12. 191 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,750 I mean we had about 90, I think it was right around 95 televised athletes 192 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,160 and 12 World Champions and two team 193 00:09:24,540 --> 00:09:26,210 two team world titles in 194 00:09:26,530 --> 00:09:28,160 the International Fight League as well. 195 00:09:29,940 --> 00:09:32,410 -- Absolutely amazing. -- It really is. 196 00:09:32,420 --> 00:09:36,540 It has a lot to do with, you know, I read every day and gable book, 197 00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:40,110 I watched a lot of Iowa wrestling when I was a little kid. 198 00:09:40,110 --> 00:09:43,760 I was in the field house with my big brother take me to Iowa wrestling meets 199 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,150 and I would watch back in the day when randy Lewis and 200 00:09:47,150 --> 00:09:50,950 king Mueller and the panic brothers and all those guys were wrestling. 201 00:09:51,340 --> 00:09:51,860 Um, 202 00:09:51,870 --> 00:09:53,840 all through those years and I just went to and 203 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,550 I were wrestling meet a couple of weeks ago actually, 204 00:09:55,550 --> 00:09:56,560 I was lucky enough to go. 205 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,860 Um, and I just, 206 00:09:59,540 --> 00:10:01,290 in my fighting in my fight training, 207 00:10:01,290 --> 00:10:04,060 I emulated everything that gable did endurance wise. 208 00:10:04,740 --> 00:10:08,160 Um, just to do things that nobody else 209 00:10:08,540 --> 00:10:12,460 I wanted to do. Sure I had to do endurance things that 210 00:10:12,940 --> 00:10:17,870 I was thinking in my head, there's no way somebody is crazy enough to do, 211 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,500 they're just not gonna do it. 212 00:10:20,510 --> 00:10:25,060 It's not, there's no way. And so I always told myself I would make my training 213 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:28,340 far harder than any fight could ever be. 214 00:10:28,340 --> 00:10:31,450 No matter how bad that fight got that I had been much, 215 00:10:31,450 --> 00:10:35,760 much worse in my training and so that's really was 216 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,060 that, that made a huge difference. 217 00:10:38,060 --> 00:10:41,960 Was just emulating the way dan gable did things, constant pressure. 218 00:10:42,540 --> 00:10:46,350 Um, no excuses back then at all. Um, 219 00:10:46,740 --> 00:10:49,980 you know, we fought with injuries, we did whatever we had to, we didn't, 220 00:10:49,990 --> 00:10:53,930 we didn't duck fights, nothing that, you know, we just did what we had to do. 221 00:10:53,940 --> 00:10:54,860 Absolutely. 222 00:10:55,540 --> 00:10:59,050 So are you in Iowa hockey fan just checking out and make sure 223 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,250 you know what's funny is I posted on my facebook the other night last night. 224 00:11:03,250 --> 00:11:04,290 As a matter of fact I think it was 225 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:05,660 no, 226 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Was it Saturday night Iowa played Michigan for 227 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,400 the Big 10 championship in football right? 228 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,460 Yeah, I watched it. 229 00:11:12,140 --> 00:11:13,990 Yeah and so michigan trounced them. 230 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,960 Uh they did, I was tending to going into that game, 231 00:11:18,340 --> 00:11:20,820 you know, at the beginning of its every football season, 232 00:11:20,830 --> 00:11:24,160 I'll just tell you that every football season Iowa, 233 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:29,560 you know they get by a squeak by Iowa state and they beat you know western Illinois and 234 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:33,890 some other team and all of a sudden this year I was ranked third in the country, 235 00:11:33,890 --> 00:11:36,960 fourth in the country or whatever, fifth and uh 236 00:11:37,140 --> 00:11:41,110 everybody is posting on facebook. Oh my God we're gonna, this is the year man 237 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:47,200 go, it's a little early in the season to be getting excited guys. You know. 238 00:11:47,210 --> 00:11:52,680 Uh I always say every year I go, thank God that's wrestling season coming up. 239 00:11:52,690 --> 00:11:56,550 You know, you guys are playing in the bowl game this year, don't you? 240 00:11:57,340 --> 00:12:02,070 -- Who are we playing in the Ballgame Kentucky. -- Yes sir. Yeah. 241 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,460 Citrusy bow. 242 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,360 That should be a hell of a football game considering our state's 243 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,710 really good at wrestling in your state's really good at basketball. 244 00:12:08,710 --> 00:12:10,650 That's it. There you go 245 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,710 and Kentucky does great. 246 00:12:12,990 --> 00:12:16,560 -- We're -- getting better stoops who is a hot guy. 247 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:22,120 He's done a great job, getting our team in the right place. So anyway I digress. 248 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,570 Let's go back to everything. What is your main goal in coaching and mentoring. 249 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:31,350 Hopefully, uh, hopefully improve the quality of somebody's life and give them, 250 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,160 give them some, some experiences that help them get through life. 251 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,510 You know, the absolutely, I think, you know, 252 00:12:37,510 --> 00:12:40,540 there's a saying that dan gable said that was, you know, 253 00:12:40,550 --> 00:12:44,960 everything after wrestling in life, everything in life after wrestling is easy 254 00:12:46,340 --> 00:12:49,460 and it really is really is comparatively. 255 00:12:49,470 --> 00:12:52,250 For the most part, everything is pretty easy minus 256 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,270 deaths of loved ones and things like that. 257 00:12:54,270 --> 00:12:56,860 But when it comes to work ethic and just getting stuff done. 258 00:12:57,540 --> 00:13:01,200 Um, so, but yeah, I mean, improve people's quality of life, 259 00:13:01,210 --> 00:13:02,750 give them great memories. 260 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:08,550 Um, you know, that, that's the sort of thing, really kind of wanted to do very good. 261 00:13:09,140 --> 00:13:10,620 Here's one that's going to happen to every 262 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:12,380 leader and it's going to happen many times. 263 00:13:12,390 --> 00:13:14,240 What do you do with one team member that 264 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,850 just has bad chemistry with the rest of the team 265 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,110 generally, 266 00:13:18,110 --> 00:13:22,530 the team will take care of that when it's a fighting team in training there. 267 00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:24,250 I had a few people that were, 268 00:13:25,140 --> 00:13:28,350 that were good, but they were a problem. One guy, he was, 269 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:29,650 he was from 270 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,850 brazil 271 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:33,860 and 272 00:13:34,540 --> 00:13:40,410 we had gotten word that he was beating his wife and uh, so he had moved, 273 00:13:40,410 --> 00:13:42,360 he had moved to better from brazil and 274 00:13:43,140 --> 00:13:46,460 I got word from the police that he was beating his wife and stuff like that. 275 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,550 So I talked to some of the guys and just said, you know what's 276 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,050 let's um 277 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,860 even the score a little bit for his wife you 278 00:13:54,860 --> 00:13:59,060 know and so he took some pretty severe beatings and 279 00:13:59,740 --> 00:14:00,660 and left the area. 280 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:08,030 -- Have I told you I'm scared of you yet? -- I think you have any reason. 281 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,440 -- Well -- I'm rethinking telling you that whole Kentucky thing man. 282 00:14:15,190 --> 00:14:17,480 I'll tell you. Did I ever tell you the story 283 00:14:17,710 --> 00:14:18,350 about 284 00:14:18,940 --> 00:14:19,860 my my 285 00:14:20,740 --> 00:14:21,460 concrete 286 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,450 uh he was actually kind of my boss but he was a finisher. 287 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:29,520 I was a laborer at the time and this was many, 288 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,930 many years ago obviously and I had grown up wrestling had done 289 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:36,160 some boxing and stuff and he was a black belt in karate 290 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:42,160 and you had that had that southern draw And and he said he's 291 00:14:42,940 --> 00:14:45,960 we we this is before long before the UFC of course 292 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,550 -- back in the P. K. C. Kickboxing remember -- those days? Very well. 293 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:53,370 Yeah and he says to me out of the blue, 294 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:56,600 I can't remember how we got into conversations across the man destroy wrestling. 295 00:14:56,610 --> 00:14:59,240 Well apparently you haven't had an Iowa wrestler grab ahold of. 296 00:14:59,250 --> 00:15:01,890 Well he goes at lunch time, 297 00:15:01,890 --> 00:15:04,890 we go out there in that field right there and we can get it on. 298 00:15:04,900 --> 00:15:07,060 We can we can see what happens. And he goes, 299 00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:11,040 you know let's do you are you sure you really want to do that? 300 00:15:11,050 --> 00:15:14,890 And I was like yeah let's do it. So I just went out I didn't hurt him or anything. 301 00:15:14,890 --> 00:15:17,700 I just took him down really fast and tied him up in knots, 302 00:15:17,710 --> 00:15:22,160 kind of hold on his ears a little bit and stuff and they realized, 303 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,060 and so he gave me a free week pass to go to his kickboxing, jump brody jim, 304 00:15:27,140 --> 00:15:32,010 and that's how that's how I started into the martial arts, wow, I didn't know that, 305 00:15:32,010 --> 00:15:36,160 I was about, I think I was 19 or 40th time, wow, 306 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:39,040 that's amazing. Yeah, 307 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,000 Kentucky, Kentucky can take credit for 308 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:43,450 that. 309 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,750 -- Thank -- you. Knew we had a hand in there 310 00:15:46,750 --> 00:15:47,580 somewhere. 311 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:51,570 -- So -- here's always the phone, 312 00:15:51,570 --> 00:15:53,900 how do you admit there's a problem and then how 313 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:57,650 do you fix it in in leadership and coaching mentoring? 314 00:15:57,740 --> 00:16:00,610 You know, when, you know there's a problem, how do you how do you admit that? 315 00:16:00,610 --> 00:16:01,550 How do you go about that? 316 00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:05,560 You know, that's a tough thing for a coach to do, Right, I mean, 317 00:16:05,570 --> 00:16:08,160 I can just tell you that, 318 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,150 you know, 319 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,150 um 320 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,480 you know, I've had talks with athletes over numerous 321 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,960 subject matter with coaching. I've had talks with other coaches when, when, 322 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,160 you know, my kids, there was some real serious issues with my kids swimming 323 00:16:26,140 --> 00:16:29,840 a couple years back and they had since fixed it and my daughter went, 324 00:16:29,850 --> 00:16:31,710 my middle daughter went back out for swimming and 325 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:33,550 had a great season with them and they did, 326 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,970 they did a great job coaching and it was a very tense uh several 327 00:16:38,970 --> 00:16:42,600 meetings with them and the principal of the school and stuff like that. 328 00:16:42,610 --> 00:16:43,200 You just, 329 00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:44,840 I guess you've just got to be able to 330 00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:47,070 take criticism if you're not doing something right, 331 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,650 you gotta be adult enough to accept criticism and 332 00:16:50,650 --> 00:16:52,250 you've got to be able to decipher what somebody, 333 00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:54,270 Sandia, whether it's valid, whether it's not, 334 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:55,650 you know, for me, 335 00:16:56,540 --> 00:16:58,430 um, in training fighters, 336 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,150 it was always common sense to make sure that they were obviously well rounded. 337 00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:05,770 I knew where their weaknesses were. They knew where their weaknesses were. 338 00:17:06,140 --> 00:17:08,030 You've got to be able to read personalities. 339 00:17:08,030 --> 00:17:11,109 Some people need to be yelled at, some people need to need that, 340 00:17:11,109 --> 00:17:14,740 need a hug once in a while, you know, it just depends on personalities, 341 00:17:14,740 --> 00:17:16,859 their upbringing, all that sort of stuff. 342 00:17:16,859 --> 00:17:19,220 Their childhood, what kind of childhood did they have? 343 00:17:19,230 --> 00:17:21,319 So you have to be able to read personalities. 344 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:23,960 But I think it comes down to, you know, there 345 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,660 tough, tough decisions need to be made 346 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,660 and, and they suck. But there's just times, you know, I had a 347 00:17:32,140 --> 00:17:35,080 conversation with Sherman Pender Guards when he was fighting. 348 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,230 He had fought in the UFC, didn't do great and he was, 349 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,430 he kept fighting and I didn't want him to fight anymore. 350 00:17:40,430 --> 00:17:44,080 I brought him in my office and I said Sherman, you know, I can't coach anymore dude, 351 00:17:44,090 --> 00:17:45,610 you're gonna get hurt. 352 00:17:45,620 --> 00:17:48,550 Um you're getting hurt. I don't want to see this anymore. 353 00:17:48,550 --> 00:17:50,860 I don't see what happens down the road with your health 354 00:17:51,740 --> 00:17:52,840 because of this. 355 00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:57,170 And I said you continue to cut weight to get down to lower weight divisions. 356 00:17:57,540 --> 00:18:00,120 So to try and find a place where you're competitive and I said, 357 00:18:00,130 --> 00:18:02,270 I just don't want you to do that anymore. 358 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,260 And he said, Pat, I'm not cutting weight, 359 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:10,280 I have terminal cancer. Oh, I want to keep fighting until I die. My goodness. 360 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,360 And so, you know, 361 00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:15,580 a conversation like that, I would have never found, 362 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:18,630 he would have never told me that he had cancer 363 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,550 until he went into the hospital to die otherwise, 364 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,550 you know, so it's yeah, just tough conversations and stuff. 365 00:18:26,550 --> 00:18:29,960 And uh and you know, I moved away from coaching because I, 366 00:18:30,540 --> 00:18:31,050 I think 367 00:18:31,540 --> 00:18:36,660 that intense of a sport, it does do damage. You're burning the candle at both ends. 368 00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:40,370 It's that you're, you're either all in or you're getting people hurt. 369 00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:43,250 I mean, that's just the way it is. You're absolutely right. Yeah. 370 00:18:43,260 --> 00:18:46,170 So I burned the candle at both ends and 371 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,170 coach very intensely and very dedicated for a 372 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:51,990 long time doing law enforcement military training. 373 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,450 I was working for three television networks. I was training fighters and, 374 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,920 and I had two new girls to new daughters 375 00:18:59,990 --> 00:19:02,710 and for four years I was lamenting quitting coaching, 376 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,960 which I was still pretty successful obviously, but 377 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,850 you know, I was going to see my kids and so yeah, I had 378 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,470 a broadcast with ESPN was when I was 379 00:19:11,470 --> 00:19:15,860 doing showtime ESPN and Mark Cuban's access tv stuff 380 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,660 and we're in bristol Connecticut at ESPN. Uh 381 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,410 I did a show there an episode, 382 00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:23,390 it was the last episode before christmas break and 383 00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:24,860 I was going to florida with my kids, 384 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,500 my wife at the time and got the car service, brian stan did the show with me, 385 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:30,610 you know who brian stan is? 386 00:19:30,610 --> 00:19:31,450 Of course, yes, 387 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,660 I've got a lot of respect for that guy. 388 00:19:33,670 --> 00:19:36,680 So we get the car and I'm on the speaker phone with my daughters and I said, 389 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,230 I'm looking forward to seeing you in the morning. 390 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,520 I love to make them breakfast when I get back to town, you know, all that sort of stuff. 391 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,410 And I said, okay, daddy love you. And we said goodbye. 392 00:19:43,420 --> 00:19:45,770 And brian stan looked at me and he goes, that's awesome. 393 00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:47,460 He goes, I've got two daughters as well. 394 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,560 And he said, 395 00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:50,770 you know, I've killed a lot of people Pat. 396 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,630 And he said every time in the middle of a firefight, 397 00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:58,460 explosions going off bullets bouncing off sq and rocks around me. 398 00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:03,110 I always wondered what life was all about. What was the meaning of life. 399 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:07,270 And he said, I finally came to the conclusion that the best thing a man can do 400 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,160 this raises kids the right way to get him up on the right foot like, 401 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,150 that's that's what you do. 402 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:13,740 Absolutely. 403 00:20:14,650 --> 00:20:16,630 And it was at that moment I looked, 404 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,540 I was like God talking to me because I've 405 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:20,560 been struggling for four years over this decision. 406 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,840 I was like, God spoke directly to me through brian stand. 407 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,420 I looked out the window of the car service. 408 00:20:25,660 --> 00:20:26,770 I looked away from brian 409 00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:31,270 because I had tears welling up in my eyes because it was at that moment 410 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,210 that I retired from fighting and I called the fighters, 411 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:36,650 had a meeting at the gym when I got back. 412 00:20:36,660 --> 00:20:41,170 I said I'm going on a two week vacation to florida with my kids and my life 413 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,260 when I get back, I'm not touching it. 414 00:20:43,740 --> 00:20:44,740 So find a new team. 415 00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:46,170 That is amazing. 416 00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:50,950 Oh, that leads really well into our last question for you to pat, 417 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,860 what is your biggest praise for God? 418 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,340 I tell you what my biggest place for God is that I'm still alive. 419 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,460 In fact I'm still alive. I've been through a lot, I've been through a lot. 420 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:03,660 Uh you know, 421 00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:09,940 I've had two brothers commit suicide because of uh because of abuse 422 00:21:09,940 --> 00:21:12,790 by the catholic church priests that abused them when they were little. 423 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,160 They committed suicide when they were in their thirties. 424 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:16,970 So I, you know, 425 00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:19,820 you can understand where I had a great 426 00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:22,450 deal of resentment and hatred towards organized religion, 427 00:21:22,460 --> 00:21:23,640 right? 428 00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:24,980 And through, 429 00:21:24,990 --> 00:21:28,670 through all of this stuff and through the hardships ships that I've been through and 430 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,560 some by my own making some, some just out of my control 431 00:21:32,940 --> 00:21:36,060 um that I've just I've come to the point where 432 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,110 I just know jesus was real. 433 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:43,430 I know he was who he said he was and I know this, he was, he guys think about this. 434 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,460 He was the first conspiracy theorist. 435 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,210 He was yes, 436 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:53,850 right. Love it. He was anti religion. 437 00:21:54,340 --> 00:21:59,150 He turned over tables in the temple, he chased them out with tax collectors, 438 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,210 you know, and they killed him for it. 439 00:22:01,220 --> 00:22:05,050 And you know, and I'm, I'm sitting here. Why was I given the gift 440 00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:09,350 to see everything that's happening and everything that's happened. 441 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:13,160 I knew it was coming long before it happened. People wouldn't listen to me. 442 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,460 People think I'm crazy, 443 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:15,940 you know, all kinds of stuff. 444 00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:18,950 I mean the things that I talk about, I tell them what's comin, 445 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,670 I've told people was coming for years and I told him when it would start. 446 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,380 Yeah, they still call me crazy. Absolutely right. 447 00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:25,740 I 448 00:22:25,870 --> 00:22:28,300 -- love -- It. 449 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:32,560 well, Pat, that's all we've got. I appreciate you so much for taking time. 450 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,160 I know how busy you are. But this has been wonderful. I really enjoyed it. 451 00:22:36,170 --> 00:22:41,170 -- It's been amazing. Thank you pat. -- Yeah, merry christmas, 452 00:22:43,340 --> 00:22:46,920 this is an lbs production which stands for pounds. 453 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,970 I don't know if you knew that or not. 454 00:22:47,970 --> 00:22:53,160 But it also stands for laughing because we're saved, but we kind of like the pounds. 455 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:58,320 So um, chris will lift them and I will gain them and we will have a great time. 456 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,170 Thanks for listening. 457 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:00,360 Mm hmm

In this episode we hang out with the legendary fighter and renowned coach Pat Miletich! Pat shares what motivates him, his coaching methods, Jesus going against organized religion, and when he knew it was time to retire from coaching. Pat discusses some of his life experiences, his two brothers suicides, and about God speaking to him. Join us for this very moving and emotional episode.

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