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1 00:00:18,418 --> 00:00:20,587 This is Lead 12:12,2 00:00:20,954 --> 00:00:26,259 a podcast on Christ centered leadership based on Romans 12:12, Rejoice in hope.3 00:00:26,459 --> 00:00:29,562 Be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.4 00:00:30,063 --> 00:00:31,297 Thanks for listening.5 00:00:31,297 --> 00:00:33,933 Now here's Chris and Dave.6 00:00:34,067 --> 00:00:35,668 Hey, everybody.7 00:00:35,668 --> 00:00:37,137 As you can tell, I'm not Dave.8 00:00:37,137 --> 00:00:39,572 Dave's not with us today. He's a little under the weather.9 00:00:39,906 --> 00:00:42,642 Sitting in for Dave today is my beautiful wife, Sharon.10 00:00:43,043 --> 00:00:44,978 And today we've got a wonderful guest.11 00:00:44,978 --> 00:00:46,946 She's a wife and a mother.12 00:00:46,946 --> 00:00:49,816 She's been following Jesus since she was nine years old.13 00:00:49,883 --> 00:00:51,251 She's the creator of the Bible.14 00:00:51,251 --> 00:00:53,520 Study fulfilled a study of Jesus.15 00:00:53,586 --> 00:00:56,656 And she's also the creator of Colossians 3 Ministries.16 00:00:56,689 --> 00:00:59,726 It's my privilege and honor to introduce Alison Lewis.17 00:01:00,393 --> 00:01:02,495 Alison, thank you so much for being our guest today.18 00:01:02,529 --> 00:01:04,330 We really appreciate having you on here.19 00:01:05,365 --> 00:01:06,332 I'm glad to be here.20 00:01:06,332 --> 00:01:08,001 Thanks for inviting me.21 00:01:08,001 --> 00:01:11,004 Can you tell us a little bit about yourself, Alison?22 00:01:11,004 --> 00:01:13,540 I sure am.23 00:01:13,540 --> 00:01:17,243 I am a mom and a step24 00:01:17,243 --> 00:01:21,381 mom and a wife and follower of Jesus, the man.25 00:01:21,414 --> 00:01:24,084 I should have hit that first space. And26 00:01:25,351 --> 00:01:26,886 I am.27 00:01:26,986 --> 00:01:32,459 I've been in Winchester my whole life, so that's been, you know, this is where28 00:01:32,459 --> 00:01:38,231 I've been, except for going to college for about eight my four years of college.29 00:01:38,832 --> 00:01:41,801 Grayson, which is even smaller town than Winchester.30 00:01:41,801 --> 00:01:44,971 So, yeah, not really ventured out to anything31 00:01:45,572 --> 00:01:48,908 huge or any big city or anything like that.32 00:01:49,042 --> 00:01:52,212 Stayed pretty much here at home and that33 00:01:53,113 --> 00:01:56,282 I am a twin, so that's something fantastic.34 00:01:56,483 --> 00:01:57,283 People don't know.35 00:01:57,283 --> 00:02:00,920 I have a twin brother, so that's kind of exciting for a lot of people.36 00:02:01,020 --> 00:02:03,356 I don't know that I knew that. Oh, really?37 00:02:03,389 --> 00:02:05,391 And I've known you for a long time, but I don't know that I've known.38 00:02:05,492 --> 00:02:06,693 I knew that.39 00:02:06,726 --> 00:02:08,995 Yeah, yeah. So I've never shared40 00:02:10,864 --> 00:02:13,666 health and all.41 00:02:14,734 --> 00:02:19,105 But I, you know, I just have a passion for the Bible42 00:02:19,105 --> 00:02:24,110 and even in the Bible and and I went to school to be43 00:02:24,844 --> 00:02:28,081 my degree was in counseling psychology, which I don't use now.44 00:02:28,081 --> 00:02:32,051 I say, you know, to be able to go to school to learn45 00:02:32,519 --> 00:02:37,790 and bible and counseling psychology has been a huge blessing in my life46 00:02:38,191 --> 00:02:40,827 to be able to connect with people47 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:44,330 and to hopefully help them know a little bit more about Jesus.48 00:02:44,330 --> 00:02:48,101 And I work in the tech industry49 00:02:48,101 --> 00:02:51,905 now, which, like I said, is completely different from what I trained.50 00:02:52,005 --> 00:02:54,407 I can imagine, yeah,51 00:02:55,775 --> 00:02:59,679 but you know, it is allowed me to interact52 00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:03,716 with a lot of different people and it's a construction technology.53 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:07,420 So, you know, there's there's some different personalities54 00:03:07,420 --> 00:03:10,723 in construction and oh, absolutely not.55 00:03:10,957 --> 00:03:14,928 Yeah, sometimes they need a little me, a little Jesus.56 00:03:15,061 --> 00:03:16,262 Amen. Yeah,57 00:03:17,997 --> 00:03:19,465 we can all use that.58 00:03:19,465 --> 00:03:22,902 I am that for them, and that can be a good example.59 00:03:23,503 --> 00:03:27,140 And you just kind of do my job well.60 00:03:27,173 --> 00:03:29,475 And so Jesus through them. Amen.61 00:03:29,776 --> 00:03:32,212 That's wonderful. So that's a great transition.62 00:03:32,245 --> 00:03:34,681 Tell us a little about Colossians three ministries.63 00:03:35,415 --> 00:03:36,416 Sure.64 00:03:36,416 --> 00:03:40,019 So it's something that I kind of put together several years ago,65 00:03:40,587 --> 00:03:44,224 and it's mostly a Facebook page community right now.66 00:03:44,257 --> 00:03:49,562 I like to share scripture and most often every day,67 00:03:49,562 --> 00:03:54,867 and it's usually just a little image with a Bible verse that I read68 00:03:54,867 --> 00:04:00,406 personally that day and spent some time reading the wonderful thing about, yeah.69 00:04:00,406 --> 00:04:04,978 So my original hope for it was that it would be70 00:04:05,612 --> 00:04:08,181 Bible study, writing, podcasting, blogging.71 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,083 Yeah, those kinds of things.72 00:04:10,083 --> 00:04:13,152 But, you know, with a full time job, trying to do that73 00:04:13,152 --> 00:04:16,522 on the side isn't always possible and true.74 00:04:16,789 --> 00:04:21,461 I don't know if God is pulling me away from that in this season or not,75 00:04:21,461 --> 00:04:24,831 but I definitely am and faith in the Facebook page active.76 00:04:24,897 --> 00:04:29,769 And there are some things out there as blog posts and things like that.77 00:04:30,536 --> 00:04:33,706 And then a Bible study on Amazon, if people are interested78 00:04:33,706 --> 00:04:36,009 in absolutely gathering any of that.79 00:04:36,009 --> 00:04:38,311 So how did you get the name Colossians three ministries?80 00:04:40,179 --> 00:04:40,913 Well,81 00:04:40,913 --> 00:04:44,183 it was mainly because of verses 23 and 24.82 00:04:44,484 --> 00:04:46,619 Whatever you do, do your work heartily.83 00:04:46,953 --> 00:04:50,690 Imagine for me knowing that the Lord will84 00:04:51,090 --> 00:04:54,060 that from the Lord, you will receive the reward of the inheritance.85 00:04:54,060 --> 00:05:00,300 It is the Lord Jesus Christ gives her and a man that being in the secular work86 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:03,269 force, that that's been my87 00:05:03,703 --> 00:05:07,473 my verse for a very long time that, you know, even though88 00:05:07,473 --> 00:05:11,411 I'm working on a daily basis, not in ministry, I'm still working.89 00:05:12,278 --> 00:05:13,446 Amen.90 00:05:13,579 --> 00:05:15,682 About him and not about me.91 00:05:15,882 --> 00:05:17,717 Absolutely.92 00:05:18,151 --> 00:05:20,253 So could you tell us your salvation story?93 00:05:21,621 --> 00:05:22,755 Sure.94 00:05:22,755 --> 00:05:26,893 So I was a camp kid, I was a church camp kid,95 00:05:27,327 --> 00:05:31,264 so I've always been the same church camp,96 00:05:31,264 --> 00:05:35,568 but I did go to church camp just about every summer and97 00:05:36,569 --> 00:05:38,271 when I was about nine years old,98 00:05:38,271 --> 00:05:40,807 the grass Christian camp was the camp I was at.99 00:05:42,241 --> 00:05:46,913 I decided that that summer to give my life to Jesus.100 00:05:46,946 --> 00:05:48,781 Wonderful. Yeah.101 00:05:48,781 --> 00:05:50,650 So it was a pretty big deal.102 00:05:50,650 --> 00:05:54,220 I think I'd been asking my mom for a while before I went to camp,103 00:05:54,220 --> 00:05:57,256 and she kept kind of hitting me off because she didn't know104 00:05:57,256 --> 00:06:00,960 at that young of an age if I was really ready or not .105 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,896 So she wanted to make sure I was 100% sure.106 00:06:04,163 --> 00:06:05,131 Sure.107 00:06:05,231 --> 00:06:08,167 And she said yes, but.108 00:06:08,167 --> 00:06:12,572 I really contribute my salvation story to my mom. Wow.109 00:06:13,206 --> 00:06:14,841 Yeah, she um,110 00:06:14,841 --> 00:06:19,145 she wasn't raised in a Christian home, but she was determined to raise us in one.111 00:06:19,445 --> 00:06:20,780 That's wonderful.112 00:06:20,780 --> 00:06:24,851 Yeah, that was very important to her that we understand.113 00:06:25,051 --> 00:06:29,622 And God, that we go to church, that we know who114 00:06:29,622 --> 00:06:33,559 Jesus is and that we make him make him personal in our lives.115 00:06:33,659 --> 00:06:34,761 Well, it's so beautiful.116 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:37,430 Thank you.117 00:06:38,097 --> 00:06:42,201 So people invest time and energy into developing their career118 00:06:42,201 --> 00:06:46,239 in their bodies, but they often neglect their relationship with Jesus.119 00:06:46,539 --> 00:06:49,742 How do you actively pursue growing your relationship with Jesus?120 00:06:51,711 --> 00:06:54,714 Well, I I do have a quiet time every day.121 00:06:55,014 --> 00:06:58,551 They might not always be super structured or anything like that.122 00:06:58,584 --> 00:07:02,522 It may be just reading a couple of verses and praying.123 00:07:02,922 --> 00:07:05,091 But I do try and carve out some time.124 00:07:05,091 --> 00:07:07,727 Every day is wonderful in the world125 00:07:08,294 --> 00:07:11,063 and praying and.126 00:07:11,063 --> 00:07:16,636 Journaling, sometimes that's 13 times whenever I've just jotted down127 00:07:16,636 --> 00:07:22,241 some thoughts and ideas for your journal or things that I want to dig into deeper.128 00:07:22,542 --> 00:07:24,710 I really like to do129 00:07:25,411 --> 00:07:27,847 deeper Bible studies where I'm really kind of130 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:32,118 saying this here, but it sparks the question in my mind131 00:07:32,151 --> 00:07:37,190 and I can go, look it up further in the Bible and just kind of dig down132 00:07:37,190 --> 00:07:40,860 to where it actually happened and what's actually going on with it.133 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:46,065 And I listen to a lot of Christian music in it, so there's not134 00:07:46,766 --> 00:07:49,602 if I'm listening to music, it's typically Christian music135 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:53,105 and then attending church regularly.136 00:07:53,105 --> 00:07:56,943 I know a lot of people don't think that that's137 00:07:57,210 --> 00:08:00,246 as important sometimes, but I think it is.138 00:08:00,513 --> 00:08:03,549 It's a shame, yeah, to be able139 00:08:03,549 --> 00:08:07,119 to fellowship with others and share each other's burdens.140 00:08:07,186 --> 00:08:09,989 And I don't know. There's just something about corporate worship.141 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:13,459 And yes, sharing everyone with their voices together142 00:08:13,459 --> 00:08:16,863 in one accord is this makes makes a big difference.143 00:08:16,996 --> 00:08:17,697 Absolutely.144 00:08:17,697 --> 00:08:19,932 So who do you listen to and with Christian artists?145 00:08:21,367 --> 00:08:22,335 Oh, and146 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:25,404 whatever's on the radio usually, I think.147 00:08:27,373 --> 00:08:29,675 Francesco Botticelli is one of my favorite.148 00:08:29,742 --> 00:08:31,777 It's also insurance Premiere. Yeah.149 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:34,447 What is your favorite?150 00:08:34,447 --> 00:08:35,815 Yeah, it is.151 00:08:35,815 --> 00:08:38,184 And worship music in general.152 00:08:38,551 --> 00:08:44,056 Typically more so than in just like the pop type music or whatever.153 00:08:44,156 --> 00:08:44,857 Yeah.154 00:08:45,157 --> 00:08:47,226 Yeah, she's definitely one of my favorites.155 00:08:47,426 --> 00:08:48,728 That's what they're fun to.156 00:08:48,728 --> 00:08:50,363 I want to go back for a second.157 00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:55,067 He was talking about being in church, and I think that is very important to158 00:08:55,635 --> 00:08:59,005 keep in church or keep her even if we're not in church,159 00:08:59,005 --> 00:09:00,640 but to keep around our faith family,160 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,110 to keep us grounded and keep us on track and on path.161 00:09:04,443 --> 00:09:06,479 Yes, I think that's very important. Absolutely.162 00:09:06,479 --> 00:09:09,448 Absolutely is.163 00:09:09,448 --> 00:09:11,984 So what is your favorite misconception about faith?164 00:09:14,220 --> 00:09:16,589 Actually is.165 00:09:16,856 --> 00:09:19,959 No, I'm I'm not sure about a misconceptions166 00:09:20,493 --> 00:09:23,362 that other people hold, because that's kind of their thing.167 00:09:23,596 --> 00:09:23,930 Sure.168 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:28,801 But one of my favorite Bible verses is Hebrews eleven one.169 00:09:29,402 --> 00:09:33,806 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for the conviction of things not seen.170 00:09:34,373 --> 00:09:38,678 And you know, faith to me is trusting171 00:09:38,678 --> 00:09:42,348 that God, he's going to do what he says he's going to do. Yes.172 00:09:42,648 --> 00:09:47,887 And his character, who he is, you know, we can trust that173 00:09:47,987 --> 00:09:53,125 and having faith is trusting in him and trusting in his word.174 00:09:53,459 --> 00:09:56,762 And I think a lot of people are getting off track right now175 00:09:56,762 --> 00:10:00,900 because they want to face faith on how they feel about.176 00:10:01,133 --> 00:10:04,236 Absolutely. I agree completely.177 00:10:04,236 --> 00:10:06,906 So I think if if we think back178 00:10:07,506 --> 00:10:12,144 instead and focus more on God, his character179 00:10:12,144 --> 00:10:16,115 and that know he's the one making the promises180 00:10:16,115 --> 00:10:17,350 and he's going to keep that181 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:21,087 and that's what we can have faith in, not in our own self182 00:10:21,087 --> 00:10:23,889 and not definitely not in how we feel about something.183 00:10:24,390 --> 00:10:27,827 And that's going to help keep us on the right track184 00:10:28,294 --> 00:10:32,999 and in hopefully combat some of those misconceptions of,185 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:36,469 you know, what other people might think faith is.186 00:10:36,836 --> 00:10:37,637 That's wonderful.187 00:10:38,604 --> 00:10:40,940 So in your studies and in your time alone,188 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:44,176 is there a particular person in the Bible that you identify with?189 00:10:46,012 --> 00:10:49,582 And kind of circling back to what I mentioned about my mom,190 00:10:50,049 --> 00:10:53,152 I think I identify a little with Timothy. OK.191 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:59,225 So yeah, with him having such an influence from his mother and his grandmother192 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:03,429 and my mom was a really huge influence on me.193 00:11:03,429 --> 00:11:06,832 And I mean, I'm not a pastor or anything like he was, but194 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:10,036 I definitely do benefit me195 00:11:11,203 --> 00:11:13,706 and my mom, as he did196 00:11:13,706 --> 00:11:16,542 have a lot of mentors in my life, too.197 00:11:16,809 --> 00:11:18,411 That's wonderful.198 00:11:18,411 --> 00:11:21,547 Yeah, that I've really invested in me and been willing to.199 00:11:21,547 --> 00:11:25,484 To really take the time200 00:11:25,484 --> 00:11:27,987 to teach me and helped me in my walk.201 00:11:28,754 --> 00:11:33,759 It's so important, I think just me in the place that people invested in him.202 00:11:33,793 --> 00:11:37,930 I think I can identify with him and his heart for ministry.203 00:11:37,930 --> 00:11:40,099 I mean. Oh yeah, I have a heart for ministry.204 00:11:40,099 --> 00:11:45,171 Whether it's you do, that's not all time that you want to see205 00:11:45,171 --> 00:11:49,275 other people come to Christ and share in any way that I can.206 00:11:49,275 --> 00:11:52,678 You're very good and you do a great job with that, by the way.207 00:11:52,978 --> 00:11:53,946 Oh, you're sweet.208 00:11:55,414 --> 00:11:56,982 What is the most important nuts209 00:11:56,982 --> 00:11:59,552 and about life lessons that you can give us today?210 00:12:01,687 --> 00:12:03,422 Oh, there's a lot of people,211 00:12:03,422 --> 00:12:06,158 a lot wiser than me to do that.212 00:12:06,959 --> 00:12:08,160 I think you're pretty wise.213 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,763 Yes, I agree.214 00:12:10,963 --> 00:12:12,765 Oh well,215 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:15,234 as I think about it, you know,216 00:12:15,234 --> 00:12:17,737 there's a lot of times when.217 00:12:19,138 --> 00:12:21,040 In my life, you know, coming to Christ218 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,275 at the age of nine, it.219 00:12:24,176 --> 00:12:26,879 It's easy or not easy, but.220 00:12:27,847 --> 00:12:30,683 I guess in a lot of ways, I take it very seriously,221 00:12:31,016 --> 00:12:33,285 not in a lot of ways, in every way.222 00:12:36,622 --> 00:12:39,892 In every way, I take it very seriously, and223 00:12:41,026 --> 00:12:43,028 I think in some ways that made it224 00:12:44,063 --> 00:12:46,532 to where I kind of came across as a goody two shoes.225 00:12:46,599 --> 00:12:48,467 I say, Yeah, that can happen.226 00:12:49,502 --> 00:12:50,336 Yeah.227 00:12:50,402 --> 00:12:55,007 So I I used to kind of resent that a little just because I felt like it.228 00:12:55,007 --> 00:12:57,343 It made me sound like a stick in the mud.229 00:12:57,443 --> 00:12:59,678 I will never have any fun.230 00:13:01,580 --> 00:13:04,550 You probably having more fun than anyone else?231 00:13:04,550 --> 00:13:05,050 Yeah.232 00:13:05,050 --> 00:13:08,788 Well, I'm thankful that I didn't have to learn some of the lessons that233 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:13,392 a lot of people have had to learn by not being down that path, I guess.234 00:13:13,425 --> 00:13:16,095 Absolutely, yes. Good for you.235 00:13:16,095 --> 00:13:16,996 And I guess, you236 00:13:16,996 --> 00:13:20,633 know, too, it always made me a little shy to share my testimony because I237 00:13:21,066 --> 00:13:23,636 I didn't feel like I had that like238 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:26,305 dramatic salvation experience.239 00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:27,873 I didn't have that.240 00:13:27,873 --> 00:13:30,876 You didn't get knocked off the horse.241 00:13:31,243 --> 00:13:31,911 Say that again.242 00:13:31,911 --> 00:13:34,013 He didn't get knocked off the horse.243 00:13:34,013 --> 00:13:37,850 Well, I got knocked off the horse plenty, but I didn't like,244 00:13:39,785 --> 00:13:42,822 I didn't have like big dramatic.245 00:13:43,522 --> 00:13:44,590 What everybody's like.246 00:13:44,590 --> 00:13:47,860 Oh, Jesus came in the whole experience. Yes.247 00:13:48,594 --> 00:13:49,829 Struck by the line.248 00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:51,030 By the light.249 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:54,133 And, you know, I was killing Christians.250 00:13:54,133 --> 00:13:58,003 And now I'm not the kind of conversion experience.251 00:13:59,738 --> 00:14:02,308 But, you know, I think that.252 00:14:02,308 --> 00:14:05,311 I think that being able to be a testimony that253 00:14:06,312 --> 00:14:08,948 a steady relationship with Jesus in254 00:14:09,114 --> 00:14:13,485 and be enabled and hopefully shone that light is255 00:14:13,953 --> 00:14:17,957 an example of what life can be if you're not .256 00:14:17,957 --> 00:14:23,028 And if you teach your children who God is and you raise them in that way257 00:14:23,028 --> 00:14:27,800 that hopefully it's going to pay dividends or they won't have to go through258 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,170 some of those hard places that someone else might have had259 00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:32,738 to go through all centuries.260 00:14:33,772 --> 00:14:35,274 That's beautiful.261 00:14:35,341 --> 00:14:37,610 I really hope that that's, you know,262 00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:40,746 an encouragement to a lot of people, even though I might not have that.263 00:14:41,780 --> 00:14:44,350 Something crazy happened in my past life was264 00:14:46,085 --> 00:14:48,754 that do you pass as many life lessons265 00:14:48,754 --> 00:14:53,225 down to my daughter as I can is silly and as little as they so important?266 00:14:53,259 --> 00:14:56,295 Yeah, so important.267 00:14:56,762 --> 00:14:58,430 So one last question.268 00:14:58,430 --> 00:14:59,832 And we know how busy you are.269 00:14:59,832 --> 00:15:03,736 What's your biggest praise for God?270 00:15:04,136 --> 00:15:08,707 Well, there's just a lot of praises for God, you know,271 00:15:10,075 --> 00:15:13,445 I've learned over the last five years I've had some272 00:15:14,713 --> 00:15:17,449 health struggles that I don't share a lot,273 00:15:17,449 --> 00:15:19,885 but you know, it's stuff that274 00:15:21,020 --> 00:15:22,922 the doctors can't seem to figure out.275 00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:25,991 Obviously, if I've been doing it for five years, oh no.276 00:15:26,025 --> 00:15:27,760 And that's finally.277 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,897 Finally, finally, I think that we may have a piece278 00:15:31,897 --> 00:15:35,768 to the puzzle and and or God, just interact.279 00:15:36,435 --> 00:15:38,771 You know, I don't know that either way.280 00:15:39,038 --> 00:15:43,409 He's directed the past, whether it was my doctor or in his him281 00:15:43,409 --> 00:15:48,948 doing a miracle that he's got some pain relief this last month.282 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:52,718 So I'm just praising God for that, that that he's met283 00:15:52,718 --> 00:15:55,621 me there and allowed that to happen.284 00:15:56,522 --> 00:15:59,625 You know, throughout the whole time I've seen,285 00:15:59,658 --> 00:16:02,828 you know, whatever you want to teach me, God, I want to learn it.286 00:16:03,562 --> 00:16:04,630 And and287 00:16:05,731 --> 00:16:07,366 you mentioned the Bible288 00:16:07,366 --> 00:16:09,969 character that you identify with.289 00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:13,872 Yeah, I can't fully identify with Jobe that oh my gosh.290 00:16:15,307 --> 00:16:17,810 Thankfully, I cannot identify with Joe.291 00:16:18,077 --> 00:16:21,780 I think if you're making a list of the most common biblical characters292 00:16:21,780 --> 00:16:24,450 to identify with, Joe would be at the bottom of the list.293 00:16:24,883 --> 00:16:25,384 Right.294 00:16:26,251 --> 00:16:28,554 And but I do feel like that295 00:16:28,554 --> 00:16:31,590 in some ways I have been able to identify with him296 00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:36,795 just as much as the struggle that has been going on.297 00:16:36,795 --> 00:16:41,300 Thankfully, it's now the complexity or the layering of what he had to go through.298 00:16:41,633 --> 00:16:42,434 No kidding.299 00:16:42,434 --> 00:16:44,737 Just having to persevere through something.300 00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:49,541 Yeah, and knowing that probably it's301 00:16:49,541 --> 00:16:53,512 going to keep up for a while longer, but God's got something to teach me.302 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:57,750 And I know that on the other side of it,303 00:16:57,750 --> 00:17:00,419 that I'll learn whatever lesson that he had for me.304 00:17:00,419 --> 00:17:04,757 But you know it, it definitely has helped me have a better305 00:17:04,757 --> 00:17:11,363 understanding of Jovan and reaching out in those scriptures to help me learn306 00:17:11,363 --> 00:17:14,967 maybe what I need to learn and my goodness, what I need to do by307 00:17:15,968 --> 00:17:16,201 . Being308 00:17:16,201 --> 00:17:19,938 faithful to what God's called me to, you know, we had no idea,309 00:17:19,938 --> 00:17:22,941 and you're going through all that and you still have praise for God that310 00:17:23,008 --> 00:17:24,777 that's so wonderful.311 00:17:24,777 --> 00:17:26,245 Praise God for that testimony.312 00:17:26,245 --> 00:17:28,013 That is wonderful.313 00:17:28,013 --> 00:17:30,349 Thank you. Well, that's all we have for you.314 00:17:30,382 --> 00:17:31,450 We know how busy you are.315 00:17:31,450 --> 00:17:34,853 So thank you for taking time for speaking with us today, and316 00:17:35,487 --> 00:17:36,455 we'll be praying for you.317 00:17:36,455 --> 00:17:38,791 I hope everything turns out well.318 00:17:38,791 --> 00:17:41,193 Thank you. Thanks, Chris and Sharon.319 00:17:41,193 --> 00:17:43,996 I really appreciate it and spend some time with you guys.320 00:17:43,996 --> 00:17:46,031 I have lots of fun. That was great.321 00:17:46,031 --> 00:17:47,099 Thank you.322 00:17:47,266 --> 00:17:48,033 You're welcome.323 00:17:48,033 --> 00:17:51,103 Bye bye.324 00:17:51,703 --> 00:17:55,240 This is an LBC production which stands for pounds.325 00:17:55,507 --> 00:17:59,912 He knew that or not, but it also stands for laughing because we're safe.326 00:18:00,112 --> 00:18:03,549 But we kind of like the pounds, so Chris will lift them327 00:18:03,549 --> 00:18:06,652 and I will gain them and we will have a great time.328 00:18:06,652 --> 00:18:07,386 Thanks for listening.